Better don't kiss me, Kate

Skybird · 10-09-07, 07:49 PM

http://www.courttv.com/news/2007/1009/kiss_ap.html

A woman goes on trial for having left lipstick on a piece of modern art, or better the carricature of art, a painting that is called "White Star" by Cy Twombling. And as the title suggest, the painting is a whity whiter-than-white White. It is so white that it costs over 2.8 million dollars, and sees the woman being sued for I think 6500 dollars. The ingenious creator of this white White wanted her to pay 2.9 million dollars.

I really wanted to show you what this White Star was looking like, but as a matter of fact it is so meaningless since it is simply a frame surrounding a white White that Google Picture did not give me any results on it - probably never ever has anyone cared to put up this masterpiece, becasue people would think that their monitor is broken. However, if you see these pictures, you certainly will see my argument when I just ask: where is the art?

http://www.iconoduel.org/images-site...itled_1970.jpg

http://www.londonkoreanlinks.net/blo...2/twombly3.jpg

http://www.thecityreview.com/f04ccon1z.jpg

"White star" even does not feature the artist's difficult effort to create lines with his pencil. It only is white on white, with white background and white foreground, all of the same white. I saw it on TV. I think it was a piece of unused empty paper.

The only art here is how to turn that into 2.8 million dollars. This art is old and has a long tradition. It is called alchemy: turning lead into gold.

10-09-07, 08:00 PM

Didn't Las Vegas promoter Fred Gwinn (not sure of the name) put his elbow through a Picaso or something like that.

panzer 49th · 10-09-07, 09:03 PM

How on earth can someone want to charge 2.9 million for that i mean seriously it is not art it is just a bunch of lines.

The Avon Lady · 10-10-07, 12:01 AM

She should pay costs of damage, i.e., whatever it takes to restore it. If it cannot be restored 100%, a certain additional value, based on a reasonable assessment of the object's decline in value, should also be paid.

Nobody forced this idiot to kiss another idiots work. Pay the price.

Let me end off by saying that I view much of what's called "modern art" as a farse.

Camaero · 10-10-07, 12:58 AM

I would have to say that her lips probably made it more entertaining than it ever was by itself.

bookworm_020 · 10-10-07, 01:38 AM

I reckon an imprint of my buttocks would increase the value of the artwork in question as well as give my opion of this artwork!

The Avon Lady · 10-10-07, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

I reckon an imprint of my buttocks would increase the value of the artwork in question

Aren't you worried about critics calling it "overshadowing"?

:p

Camaero · 10-10-07, 04:26 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21211300?gt1=10450

A picture of the woman and of the painting... It seems that I am in the wrong line of work if white paper can fetch $2,830,000!!!

Skybird · 10-10-07, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panzer 49th

How on earth can someone want to charge 2.9 million for that i mean seriously it is not art it is just a bunch of lines.

"White Star" even features no lines!

Delete the word "star" from the title.

The Avon Lady · 10-10-07, 04:56 AM

Jerusalem's Israel Museum has its own share of modern art trash. A few years ago, when we went, there was a work consisting of a giant pile of spice cloves piled on the floor in the center of an exhibit room.

My husband crouched down next to it, as if to get a closer look. Then he started to put on an act that he's about to have a sneeze attack.

A-H..... A-H..... A-H .....

You should have seen the guard jump!

Skybird · 10-10-07, 05:34 AM

My hometown just has ended it's "season of sculptures", which saw around 60 of such "sculptures" scattered around locations in the city area. A wastebin here, with a student guard. a random generator producing meaningless words there, with a student guard. A pile or rubbish, with a student guard. Half a dozen of opened umbrellas, with a student guard.

High arts, really.

Especially note the high level of craftsmanship. It costed the taxpayer several hundred thousand Euros. I assume it were the fees for the guards reading comics when sitting close to the masterpieces.

HunterICX · 10-10-07, 05:41 AM

Modern art,

I recall that as

take enough drugs, then even a pile of dog poo wil look amazing and is worth millions..

The Avon Lady · 10-10-07, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Modern art,

I recall that as

take enough drugs, then even a pile of dog poo wil look amazing and is worth millions..

Yes, but one wonders what the artists are taking. :hmm:

Anyway, over the years the worst and/or extreme of the lot sounds like it ends up in London's Tate Modern. I vividly recall this from a few years back.

Tchocky · 10-10-07, 06:00 AM

Yes, how dare artists be abstract.

I mean, it doesn't even look like anything!!?

CB.. · 10-10-07, 06:02 AM

you know i reckon folks would have a higher appreciation of more traditional art...
given our fascination with computer game graphics and how often we find our selves drooling over some scene in a computer game...etc...

drag these kids round an old school art gallery..with traditional portraits created by artists with genuine skill and dedication....and nothing no reaction...it's a wonder..even "unknown" artists of 100 years ago created images that leave you rooted to the spot with amazement.."how the heck did they do that"

yet even with computer graphics "introducing" youngsters to the joys of "wow look at that..!!"...thinking and appreciation of a scene ..they some-how can't or won't maintain that same out look when confronted with a traditional oil painting...

apparently traditional oil painting just isn't "clever" enough for them..??
you know something it's actualy weird...a very strange mind set.. kinda selective blindness...entirely ruled by what is "cool"..and who tells us what is cool??

as Skybird said..

Quote:

The only art here is how to turn that into 2.8 million dollars.

it's Orwellian...how many fingers am i holding up Winston...

they've succesfully managed to put the cart in front of the horse...and in doing so dehumanise us all...

it seems to me that "cool" has become another religion..and religion is a weapon of mass destruction..

10-09-07, 07:49 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Better don't kiss me, Kate http://www.courttv.com/news/2007/1009/kiss_ap.html A woman goes on trial for having left lipstick on a piece of modern art, or better the carricature of art, a painting that is called "White Star" by Cy Twombling. And as the title suggest, the painting is a whity whiter-than-white White. It is so white that it costs over 2.8 million dollars, and sees the woman being sued for I think 6500 dollars. The ingenious creator of this white White wanted her to pay 2.9 million dollars. I really wanted to show you what this White Star was looking like, but as a matter of fact it is so meaningless since it is simply a frame surrounding a white White that Google Picture did not give me any results on it - probably never ever has anyone cared to put up this masterpiece, becasue people would think that their monitor is broken. However, if you see these pictures, you certainly will see my argument when I just ask: where is the art? http://www.iconoduel.org/images-site...itled_1970.jpg http://www.londonkoreanlinks.net/blo...2/twombly3.jpg http://www.thecityreview.com/f04ccon1z.jpg "White star" even does not feature the artist's difficult effort to create lines with his pencil. It only is white on white, with white background and white foreground, all of the same white. I saw it on TV. I think it was a piece of unused empty paper. The only art here is how to turn that into 2.8 million dollars. This art is old and has a long tradition. It is called alchemy: turning lead into gold. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-09-07, 09:03 PM	#3
panzer 49th Weps Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 361 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	How on earth can someone want to charge 2.9 million for that i mean seriously it is not art it is just a bunch of lines. __________________

10-10-07, 12:01 AM	#4
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	She should pay costs of damage, i.e., whatever it takes to restore it. If it cannot be restored 100%, a certain additional value, based on a reasonable assessment of the object's decline in value, should also be paid. Nobody forced this idiot to kiss another idiots work. Pay the price. Let me end off by saying that I view much of what's called "modern art" as a farse. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

10-10-07, 12:58 AM	#5
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I would have to say that her lips probably made it more entertaining than it ever was by itself. __________________

10-10-07, 01:38 AM	#6
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I reckon an imprint of my buttocks would increase the value of the artwork in question as well as give my opion of this artwork! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

10-09-07, 08:00 PM	#2
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Didn't Las Vegas promoter Fred Gwinn (not sure of the name) put his elbow through a Picaso or something like that.

10-10-07, 04:26 AM	#8
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21211300?gt1=10450 A picture of the woman and of the painting... It seems that I am in the wrong line of work if white paper can fetch $2,830,000!!! __________________

10-10-07, 04:56 AM	#10
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Jerusalem's Israel Museum has its own share of modern art trash. A few years ago, when we went, there was a work consisting of a giant pile of spice cloves piled on the floor in the center of an exhibit room. My husband crouched down next to it, as if to get a closer look. Then he started to put on an act that he's about to have a sneeze attack. A-H..... A-H..... A-H ..... You should have seen the guard jump! __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

10-10-07, 05:34 AM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	My hometown just has ended it's "season of sculptures", which saw around 60 of such "sculptures" scattered around locations in the city area. A wastebin here, with a student guard. a random generator producing meaningless words there, with a student guard. A pile or rubbish, with a student guard. Half a dozen of opened umbrellas, with a student guard. High arts, really. Especially note the high level of craftsmanship. It costed the taxpayer several hundred thousand Euros. I assume it were the fees for the guards reading comics when sitting close to the masterpieces. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 10-10-07 at 05:49 AM.

10-10-07, 05:41 AM	#12
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Modern art, I recall that as take enough drugs, then even a pile of dog poo wil look amazing and is worth millions.. __________________

10-10-07, 06:00 AM	#14
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Yes, how dare artists be abstract. I mean, it doesn't even look like anything!!? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]