North Sea Mines

PapaG39 · 10-07-07, 03:14 AM

Just wondering at what date in GWX that the East coast of Great Britain gets its mines? According the page 55 in the GWX manual there will be mines 30km thiick all the way from Kinnaird Head to Dover.
Its now the 6th September 1940 and i am starting my 11th patrol bound for AN67 which is right in that area. I'm still in the type IID boat so I can't go on a long extend trip.
I have been trying to find some history on the areas of merchant travel In the North Sea in September 1940, but so far I have not run across anything helpful.

I do know that the area along the coastline of Great Britain became extremely dangerous on my last patrol. There were DD's going every which way & travelling at 30kts. I only got two small merchants & was lucky to get out in one piece.
I was under attack in that danged shallow water at every turn.
Once the Brits get their improved electronics a u-boat won't stand a chanch in that shallow water.

3Jane · 10-07-07, 03:26 AM

For my self, the only place I have ever encountered mines is outside of the port of Calais. Having been within sight of the eastern coast of Britain a few times at night, never any mines.

melnibonian · 10-07-07, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PapaG39

Just wondering at what date in GWX that the East coast of Great Britain gets its mines? According the page 55 in the GWX manual there will be mines 30km thiick all the way from Kinnaird Head to Dover.

If I remember correctly the mines on the areas around England already exist in GWX from the begining of the War. As the years go by the minefields expand. Rule of thumb and basic survival tip: Stay away from the coast and the Chanel and you might live a bit longer

KeptinCranky · 10-07-07, 05:51 AM

Historically the merchants stayed right up close to the coast, with the minefields protecting them from evil little u-boats like yours out in the north sea. There were of course a few open lanes for warships and whatnot to pass through but it'd be a tough job finding those. Since it's shallow everywhere you might as well go where the merchies are going to be

Your best bet really is to not even go there, but if you must, try to stay real close to the English coast, and if you do end up in a minefield, surface! and then get out, it may not save you but you've got a better chance

papa_smurf · 10-07-07, 06:04 AM

When going along the East coast of Britain, stay about 200km away from the coast and you should be fine, and be able to sink some mercahnts along the way.

NiclDoe · 10-07-07, 07:16 AM

And NEVER go in the english channel either.

bigboywooly · 10-07-07, 08:02 AM

The east coast barrage starts early 1940

The problem with minefields is if you up the density so its difficult for the uboat to go through then it leads to real slow downs on the player computer plus graphic anomalies as the game tries to render all those mines plus your uboat

So minefields have been reduced in density
You still have the chance of hitting a mine but the fields are nowhere near as dense as the really should be

Limitations of SH3 engine I am afraid

Minefields should be pretty devastating

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6th January 1940

During the night of the 6th/7th, German destroyers of the 1st Flotilla, FRIEDRICH ECKHOLDT, ERICH STEINBRINCK, FRIEDRICH IHN, supported by KARL GALSTER, RICHARD BEITZEN, HERMANN SCHOEMANN laid mines in the Thames Estuary. Destroyer GRENVILLE and six merchant ships for 21,617 tons were lost in this field.

On the 6th, motor trawlerETA (81grt) six miles NW of Outer Gabbard Light Vessel, but the crew were saved.

On the 7th, steamer CEDRINGTON COURT (5160grt) two miles NE of North Goodwins Light Vessel in 51-22N, 1-35E. Again the crew were saved.

On the 7th, steamer TOWNELEY (2888grt) one mile ENE of North East Spit Buoy. The crew of the were saved when they rowed to shore in the Margate lifeboat.

On the 9th, steamer DUNBARCASTLE (10,002grt) of convoy OA.69 in 51‑23N, 01‑34E. Nine crew were lost and her survivors rescued by trawler CALVI (363grt) and other small ships.

On the 9th, Dutch steamer TRUIDA (176grt) in 51‑27N, 01‑50E. Her crew were rescued by Dutch trawler FRISO (250grt) which transferred them to Dutch steamer TIBERIUS (1712grt).

On the 15th, steamer KILDALE (3877grt) was damaged two miles east of South Shiphead Buoy.

On the 16th, Belgian steamer JOSEPHINE CHARLOTTE (3422grt) in 51‑32N, 01‑33E. Four crew were lost and the survivors rescued by British steamer MICKLETON (777grt).

On the 19th, destroyer GRENVILLE was sunk east of the Thames Estuary.

andylegate · 10-07-07, 09:56 AM

Reading the above history, one has to wonder if each time they lost a ship to the mines like that if the mines were worth it? I mean letting everyone know where the mines were and of course clear areas for sailing more than likely would simply have made things about the same.

Sorry, but loosing anyone to friendly fire has always ticked me off

bigboywooly · 10-07-07, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by andylegate

Reading the above history, one has to wonder if each time they lost a ship to the mines like that if the mines were worth it? I mean letting everyone know where the mines were and of course clear areas for sailing more than likely would simply have made things about the same.

Sorry, but loosing anyone to friendly fire has always ticked me off

:rotfl:

Read it again

German mines laid off the Thames
Allied sea units sunk

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 10-07-07, 11:46 AM

From what I know about mines and the English east coast is that in 1940 you'll find mines layed in random patterns along the coast. But when they are all in place it seems imposable to get through. But there is a secret way that I can tell you about. There is a deep pocket of water near Hartlepool and you will find mines in that area but they are only at periscope depth so go aleast 10 meters below periscope depth and you can move freely under them.

PapaG39 · 10-07-07, 01:08 PM

What made me start to wondering about the mines was the fact that eight out of ten of my last patrols have been along the area that the picture on pg 55 shows where the mines are.
I was just wondering if perhaps they had replaced DD's for the mine scenario because of the cpu bog down problem with a thousand mines.

I do know that my patrol 10 in November/December 1939 the DD's have appeared in large numbers along the coast. they were operating in fast criss-cross type sweeps. Those buggers were coming at me from three different directions at once & I had one heck of a time staying out of their way...lol.. At one point I was between two convoys that were going in opposite directions. I was completely surrounded by DD's from both groups. I really have no idea how I got out of there.

If you get to near the coastline they would box you in, and I don't believe you could survive.

The big problem is Bdu orders...Germans did not disobey orders. They went to their assigned grid and did what they were told to do. And that is why all u-boats operating sent along the coast area were eventually sunk.

bigboywooly · 10-07-07, 02:11 PM

Those DDs are from stock

They are set to " come alive " when you reach rendering range

Minefields were added by mods but the scripted DDs left in

All of those have been removed in GWX 1.04 and replaced by random patrols that are within the minefield and travel from one port to another or back to the original port

PapaG39 · 10-07-07, 06:09 PM

Whoa...All I can say about that is; I have been very very lucky. My main area of operation for at least 8 patrols has been right in the middle of that mine area...
Ignorance is bliss so they say...lol. Guess I will change my mode of operende....
I can't believe I didn't run into one of those buggers...

10-07-07, 03:14 AM	#1
PapaG39 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 297 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	North Sea Mines Just wondering at what date in GWX that the East coast of Great Britain gets its mines? According the page 55 in the GWX manual there will be mines 30km thiick all the way from Kinnaird Head to Dover. Its now the 6th September 1940 and i am starting my 11th patrol bound for AN67 which is right in that area. I'm still in the type IID boat so I can't go on a long extend trip. I have been trying to find some history on the areas of merchant travel In the North Sea in September 1940, but so far I have not run across anything helpful. I do know that the area along the coastline of Great Britain became extremely dangerous on my last patrol. There were DD's going every which way & travelling at 30kts. I only got two small merchants & was lucky to get out in one piece. I was under attack in that danged shallow water at every turn. Once the Brits get their improved electronics a u-boat won't stand a chanch in that shallow water.

10-07-07, 03:26 AM	#2
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	For my self, the only place I have ever encountered mines is outside of the port of Calais. Having been within sight of the eastern coast of Britain a few times at night, never any mines. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

10-07-07, 07:16 AM	#6
NiclDoe Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: In the Air or hiding from Black Swans Posts: 760 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	And NEVER go in the english channel either. __________________ The Crazy Wolf

10-07-07, 09:56 AM	#8
andylegate Medic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: SC, USA Posts: 168 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Reading the above history, one has to wonder if each time they lost a ship to the mines like that if the mines were worth it? I mean letting everyone know where the mines were and of course clear areas for sailing more than likely would simply have made things about the same. Sorry, but loosing anyone to friendly fire has always ticked me off __________________ My Real Life Navy Brag Page Below http://www1.freewebs.com/andylegate/

10-07-07, 11:46 AM	#10
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	From what I know about mines and the English east coast is that in 1940 you'll find mines layed in random patterns along the coast. But when they are all in place it seems imposable to get through. But there is a secret way that I can tell you about. There is a deep pocket of water near Hartlepool and you will find mines in that area but they are only at periscope depth so go aleast 10 meters below periscope depth and you can move freely under them. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

10-07-07, 05:51 AM	#4
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Historically the merchants stayed right up close to the coast, with the minefields protecting them from evil little u-boats like yours out in the north sea. There were of course a few open lanes for warships and whatnot to pass through but it'd be a tough job finding those. Since it's shallow everywhere you might as well go where the merchies are going to be Your best bet really is to not even go there, but if you must, try to stay real close to the English coast, and if you do end up in a minefield, surface! and then get out, it may not save you but you've got a better chance

10-07-07, 06:04 AM	#5
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	When going along the East coast of Britain, stay about 200km away from the coast and you should be fine, and be able to sink some mercahnts along the way.

10-07-07, 01:08 PM	#11
PapaG39 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 297 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	What made me start to wondering about the mines was the fact that eight out of ten of my last patrols have been along the area that the picture on pg 55 shows where the mines are. I was just wondering if perhaps they had replaced DD's for the mine scenario because of the cpu bog down problem with a thousand mines. I do know that my patrol 10 in November/December 1939 the DD's have appeared in large numbers along the coast. they were operating in fast criss-cross type sweeps. Those buggers were coming at me from three different directions at once & I had one heck of a time staying out of their way...lol.. At one point I was between two convoys that were going in opposite directions. I was completely surrounded by DD's from both groups. I really have no idea how I got out of there. If you get to near the coastline they would box you in, and I don't believe you could survive. The big problem is Bdu orders...Germans did not disobey orders. They went to their assigned grid and did what they were told to do. And that is why all u-boats operating sent along the coast area were eventually sunk.

10-07-07, 02:11 PM	#12
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Those DDs are from stock They are set to " come alive " when you reach rendering range Minefields were added by mods but the scripted DDs left in All of those have been removed in GWX 1.04 and replaced by random patrols that are within the minefield and travel from one port to another or back to the original port __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-07-07, 06:09 PM	#13
PapaG39 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 297 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Whoa...All I can say about that is; I have been very very lucky. My main area of operation for at least 8 patrols has been right in the middle of that mine area... Ignorance is bliss so they say...lol. Guess I will change my mode of operende.... I can't believe I didn't run into one of those buggers...