Londons 200 mil pound CCTV network worthless at stopping crime...

SUBMAN1 · 09-21-07, 10:05 AM

No surprise there.

-S

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ved/article.do

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...In fact, four out of five of the boroughs with the most cameras have a record of solving crime that is below average....

Letum · 09-21-07, 10:17 AM

I find it hard to belive that cameras don't hep at all. There are undoubtably some cases they have helped with.
However I do not belive the breach of privicy, even in a public place, is worth the benafits.

SUBMAN1 · 09-21-07, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Letum

I find it hard to belive that cameras don't hep at all. There are undoubtably some cases they have helped with.
However I do not belive the breach of privicy, even in a public place, is worth the benafits.

I watched a 60 minutes report with hidden cameras going into the London stations a while back. THe camera operators sat around checking out womens breats more than looking for any real crime - and yes those cams can zoom right down into their shirts! I was quite amazed. Anyway, maybe this is part of the problem?

Oh - I forgot - they did help on crime. Statistically, they cut down on people loitering, particulary youths. Violent crime actually went up where cameras were most present and did nothing to counter it.

-S

STEED · 09-21-07, 11:23 AM

1984

gordonmull · 09-21-07, 04:24 PM

Some years ago now I spent some time living in a particularly rough area in Glasgow and had a knife put to my throat in the middle of the afternoon for cash. My mate legged it and called the cops. They caught the guy because there were cameras up and he was known to them.

Still didn't stop me crapping my pants. Point is, cameras don't prevent crimes, they only help catch people after they've committed them.

SUBMAN1 · 09-21-07, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gordonmull

Some years ago now I spent some time living in a particularly rough area in Glasgow and had a knife put to my throat in the middle of the afternoon for cash. My mate legged it and called the cops. They caught the guy because there were cameras up and he was known to them.

Still didn't stop me crapping my pants. Point is, cameras don't prevent crimes, they only help catch people after they've committed them.

Thats the problem though - they are saying that they don't statistically. Since this guy is known to the cops, they would have caught him anyway.

Sorry to hear you had to deal with that.

-S

gordonmull · 09-21-07, 05:24 PM

Freaked me out at the time but that was many moons ago now. They'd never have got him if the camera hadn't been there. i wouldn't have been able to describe him - I've got a bad memory at the best of times!

Point i was trying to make was that even if they did help catch people what good is that? The crime's already been committed. Just feel it's all getting out of hand, cameras everywhere. Some even talk to you now!!!

SUBMAN1 · 09-21-07, 05:29 PM

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...Some even talk to you now!!!

Scary!

STEED · 09-21-07, 06:07 PM

Coming to your home CCTV in every room that will stamp out rape and child abuse
along with domestic crime.

Letum · 09-21-07, 06:25 PM

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Out of control kids (not all of them I stress) don't care about being seen on CCTV in fact they love it as they break in to cars smash things up and why because the law is soft thats why. I have seen plenty of programs showing CCTV footage and they don't give a toss at all. CCTV will never stop crime nor will it prevent crime, we need more police on our streets and no more red tape and mountains of paper work to bog them down.

I'm not sure about police on the streets.
That does not tend to be a big deterrent and is not very cost effective.
I would rather see more police available for call-out then on street corners. Especially
because I live in the countryside. Sometimes we just can't get police cars out here
because they are all walking around the city tipping their caps.

Apart from police available for call-out, I suspect the solution lies in the problem and
not in the symptoms. Things like ensuring that young people can get steady jobs,
affordable housing and ways to fill their time through culture, sport and common
goals. Of course all this only helps with "casual" crime and not the deeply pre-
meditated.

*edit* The post I quoted seams to have been edited, do you want me to edit out the quote as well?

STEED · 09-21-07, 06:31 PM

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*edit* The post I quoted seams to have been edited, do you want me to edit out the quote as well?

Half sleep Letum, deleted by accident.

How do you like my cynical remark? Trouble is this may one day be fact, better not be in my life time.

Letum · 09-21-07, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

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Originally Posted by Letum

*edit* The post I quoted seams to have been edited, do you want me to edit out the quote as well?

Half sleep Letum, deleted by accident.

How do you like my cynical remark? Trouble is this may one day be fact, better not be in my life time.

Nothing infuriates me more than people who can't see what is wrong with things like that if you have "nothing to hide".

STEED · 09-21-07, 06:44 PM

I heard on a phone in radio the other day that question was put to those who said the ID Card was a great idea and they wanted it, some said CCTV in the home would be a great idea.

Kapitan · 09-21-07, 10:40 PM

Walk down oxford street on a busy day everyone is bashing into everyone else a camera isnt going to notice that one person stealing that ladys purse or that mans wallet its to jam packed and so easy to do.

SUBMAN1 · 09-22-07, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I heard on a phone in radio the other day that question was put to those who said the ID Card was a great idea and they wanted it, some said CCTV in the home would be a great idea.

Crack smokers. Those that would give up liberty for security deserve neither.

-S

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Coming to your home CCTV in every room that will stamp out rape and child abuse along with domestic crime. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 09-21-07 at 06:17 PM.

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Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Walk down oxford street on a busy day everyone is bashing into everyone else a camera isnt going to notice that one person stealing that ladys purse or that mans wallet its to jam packed and so easy to do. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-21-07, 04:24 PM	#5
gordonmull Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 269 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Some years ago now I spent some time living in a particularly rough area in Glasgow and had a knife put to my throat in the middle of the afternoon for cash. My mate legged it and called the cops. They caught the guy because there were cameras up and he was known to them. Still didn't stop me crapping my pants. Point is, cameras don't prevent crimes, they only help catch people after they've committed them.

09-21-07, 05:24 PM	#7
gordonmull Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 269 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Freaked me out at the time but that was many moons ago now. They'd never have got him if the camera hadn't been there. i wouldn't have been able to describe him - I've got a bad memory at the best of times! Point i was trying to make was that even if they did help catch people what good is that? The crime's already been committed. Just feel it's all getting out of hand, cameras everywhere. Some even talk to you now!!!