Here, nukey, nukey! Where are you, nukey, nukey? - Page 2

Oberon · 09-06-07, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges

I'm sure the missles were supposed to be on the plane, just not with real warheads. The Air Force can't be that silly.

:hmm:

Anyway, aren't there still quite a few ICBMs at the bottom in sunken Boomers? K-219 for example, or even 19. I don't think any other country (with the possible exception of Chinas suspected second Xia) has lost a Boomer other than the old USSR.

Ishmael · 09-06-07, 09:14 PM

I don't know how the Air Farce runs their NUCWEPS programs, but this would never happen in the Navy. I won't go into the loading and storage procedures here but, suffice to say, any "Special" weapons would immediately be apparent. What is mystifying to me is that a weapons loadout check should be part of a preflight checklist and would show the type of weapons loaded and number in the weapons control console. That and any cursory examination of the weapons themselves that should have presumably been done as part of a visual inspection pre-flight should have raised a red flag as well. War shot ordnance is distinctly different from exercise weapons and are clearly marked with weapons type on the outside of the missle.

On another note, I remember reading in WMR a while back about the loss of two of the warheads from the Kazakh portion of the Soviet arsenal that were lost of the Somali coast in the early '90s. Those two were recovered by smugglers and allegedly sold to North Korea.

Heibges · 09-06-07, 10:53 PM

The same thing in the Army. Training ammo is always blue.

Ishmael · 09-06-07, 11:22 PM

A possible reason here from former CIA agent Larry Johnson:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09...ukes-for-iran/

Interesting story if Barksdale is the staging point for Mideast Operations.

Fish · 09-07-07, 07:13 AM

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Staging Nukes for Iran?

By Larry Johnson on Sep 5, 2007 in Current Affairs

Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and subsequently landing at a B-52 base in Barksdale, Louisiana? That’s like getting excited if you see a postal worker in uniform walking out of a post office. And how does someone watching a B-52 land identify the cruise missiles as nukes? It just does not make sense.

So I called a old friend and retired B-52 pilot and asked him. What he told me offers one compelling case of circumstantial evidence. My buddy, let’s call him Jack D. Ripper, reminded me that the only times you put weapons on a plane is when they are on alert or if you are tasked to move the weapons to a specific site.

Then he told me something I had not heard before.

Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East operations. Gee, why would we want cruise missile nukes at Barksdale Air Force Base. Can’t imagine we would need to use them in Iraq. Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons at a base conducting Middle East operations?

His final point was to observe that someone on the inside obviously leaked the info that the planes were carrying nukes. A B-52 landing at Barksdale is a non-event. A B-52 landing with nukes. That is something else.

Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can’t think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride. We need some tough questions and clear answers. What the hell is going on? Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran? I don’t know, but it is a question worth asking.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09...nukes-for-iran

Kapitan · 09-07-07, 07:14 AM

Not being funny here but the report says the missles were mounted on the wings of the plane so how in gods name do you miss a missile on your plane, your going to spot it on your walk around atleast, or some one in the tower on the ground or the other airport it landed at must have seen them you cant miss them!

So did the pilot not make his walk around if so why not ? another wierd and wonderful cokup

Tchocky · 09-07-07, 07:15 AM

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My buddy, let’s call him Jack D. Ripper

Oh that's classic

Oberon · 09-07-07, 07:24 AM

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Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can’t think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride. We need some tough questions and clear answers. What the hell is going on? Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran? I don’t know, but it is a question worth asking.

Either that or the information was deliberately leaked so that it would reach Tehran alongside the information that Barksdale is used for Middle Eastern Ops. A subtle way of warning Iran perhaps...not that the current admin does subtle very well. :hmm:

Fish · 09-07-07, 07:48 AM

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Fish · 09-07-07, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Fish

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Staging Nukes for Iran?

By Larry Johnson on Sep 5, 2007 in Current Affairs

Why the hubbub over a B-52 taking off from a B-52 base in Minot, North Dakota and subsequently landing at a B-52 base in Barksdale, Louisiana? That’s like getting excited if you see a postal worker in uniform walking out of a post office. And how does someone watching a B-52 land identify the cruise missiles as nukes? It just does not make sense.

So I called a old friend and retired B-52 pilot and asked him. What he told me offers one compelling case of circumstantial evidence. My buddy, let’s call him Jack D. Ripper, reminded me that the only times you put weapons on a plane is when they are on alert or if you are tasked to move the weapons to a specific site.

Then he told me something I had not heard before.

Barksdale Air Force Base is being used as a jumping off point for Middle East operations. Gee, why would we want cruise missile nukes at Barksdale Air Force Base. Can’t imagine we would need to use them in Iraq. Why would we want to preposition nuclear weapons at a base conducting Middle East operations?

His final point was to observe that someone on the inside obviously leaked the info that the planes were carrying nukes. A B-52 landing at Barksdale is a non-event. A B-52 landing with nukes. That is something else.

Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can’t think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride. We need some tough questions and clear answers. What the hell is going on? Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran? I don’t know, but it is a question worth asking.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09...nukes-for-iran

You never transport nukes on a B52. You transport them on a cargo plane. Though?

TLAM Strike · 09-07-07, 12:12 PM

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...should have been removed from the plane. Instead, they were mounted on the bomber’s wings...
...CNN says the crew didn't know the weapons were on the bomber...

Ok I know the B-52 is big but for god's sake get up off your lazy @$$ and walk around the plane before taking off!! They do that on the little pointy nose planes. Its not like they were hidden in the bomb bay or anything they were hanging off the wings in plain view.

Perhaps it was the new B-52 stealth bomber and they just didn't see them ...

I'm sure the missles were supposed to be on the plane, just not with real warheads. The Air Force can't be that silly.

I'm sure weapons armed with nuclear warheads are painted with a easly reconized color so everyone on the base knows what they are and not to drop them/sit on them/spill coffee on them/etc. In the Russian Navy nuclear torpedoes were painted purple I belive. I would be shocked if the USAF didn't paint the nose cones of their nuclear cruise missiles a color diffrent from other missiles of the same type.

VonHammer · 09-07-07, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

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Now maybe there is an innocent explanation for this? I can’t think of one. What is certain is that the pilots of this plane did not just make a last minute decision to strap on some nukes and take them for a joy ride. We need some tough questions and clear answers. What the hell is going on? Did someone at Barksdale try to indirectly warn the American people that the Bush Administration is staging nukes for Iran? I don’t know, but it is a question worth asking.

Either that or the information was deliberately leaked so that it would reach Tehran alongside the information that Barksdale is used for Middle Eastern Ops. A subtle way of warning Iran perhaps...not that the current admin does subtle very well. :hmm:

i think thats a good point there. those crazys over there might not be so willing to go to war with us. on the other hand a few weeks ago i saw somewhere that when we did our arms deal woth the saudis, Russia sold a billion $ worth of jets to Iran

The Avon Lady · 09-09-07, 12:43 AM

Let's fess up. What's worse? The B52 nuke mishap or liars like these?

Three years at home with a monitor anklet. Pfft.

Jimbuna · 09-09-07, 05:56 AM

Now that's what I call doing 'hard time'

VonHammer · 09-11-07, 07:54 AM

ill ave to admit that house arrest does seem pretty lame for someting as serius as nuclear sumggling. its about as lame when paris hiltion went to jail.

09-06-07, 10:53 PM	#18
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The same thing in the Army. Training ammo is always blue. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

09-07-07, 07:14 AM	#21
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,134 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Not being funny here but the report says the missles were mounted on the wings of the plane so how in gods name do you miss a missile on your plane, your going to spot it on your walk around atleast, or some one in the tower on the ground or the other airport it landed at must have seen them you cant miss them! So did the pilot not make his walk around if so why not ? another wierd and wonderful cokup __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

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The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Let's fess up. What's worse? The B52 nuke mishap or liars like these? Three years at home with a monitor anklet. Pfft. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

09-09-07, 05:56 AM	#29
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,543 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Now that's what I call doing 'hard time' __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-06-07, 09:14 PM	#17
Ishmael Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morro Bay, Ca. Posts: 659 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	I don't know how the Air Farce runs their NUCWEPS programs, but this would never happen in the Navy. I won't go into the loading and storage procedures here but, suffice to say, any "Special" weapons would immediately be apparent. What is mystifying to me is that a weapons loadout check should be part of a preflight checklist and would show the type of weapons loaded and number in the weapons control console. That and any cursory examination of the weapons themselves that should have presumably been done as part of a visual inspection pre-flight should have raised a red flag as well. War shot ordnance is distinctly different from exercise weapons and are clearly marked with weapons type on the outside of the missle. On another note, I remember reading in WMR a while back about the loss of two of the warheads from the Kazakh portion of the Soviet arsenal that were lost of the Somali coast in the early '90s. Those two were recovered by smugglers and allegedly sold to North Korea.

09-06-07, 11:22 PM	#19
Ishmael Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morro Bay, Ca. Posts: 659 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	A possible reason here from former CIA agent Larry Johnson: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/09...ukes-for-iran/ Interesting story if Barksdale is the staging point for Mideast Operations.

09-07-07, 07:48 AM	#24
Fish Eternal Patrol Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,923 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	double post

09-11-07, 07:54 AM	#30
VonHammer Engineer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 218 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	ill ave to admit that house arrest does seem pretty lame for someting as serius as nuclear sumggling. its about as lame when paris hiltion went to jail.