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Old 08-17-07, 03:44 PM   #31
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To clarify, science today sees light as a probability field (not as a wave or particle as we were taught in school), meaning that there is a very high probability that a light photon will be where you would expect it (i.e. very close to the perceived path of the light beam). However, there is also a very small probability that it will dissappear and appear somewhere else, possibly even at a completely random, far out place in the universe. This has led to claims that it is against the laws of relativity (because it must have moved with a speed much higher than the speed of light). But relativity should stay uncontested, theres rather the possibility of major breakthroughs on the structure of space. There is still a lot movement in this area of physics, with the possibility of extra dimensions at very small scales, the rebirth of the theory of a cosmic ether (superstrings), and energy and matter being just a strange stir in its fabric, something statistical rather than physical.

I'd say the experiment described by the two germans is a yet undigested new find related to quantum effects, which cannot break the laws of relativity, because quantum physics and relativity have never been united into one consistent theory. As Einstein did not disprove Newton (in fact the two working together might have made even more profound breathroughs), modern physics will not disprove Einstein, but rather extend towards the blueprint of space, which was beyond what he could study or experiment with at the time he lived.
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Old 08-17-07, 05:09 PM   #32
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And if you did, how would you see where you were going?
Thats the thing about theoretical physics, its a lot more complicated than one might think. For instance when you are traveling at the speed of light and the speed of light ins constant, relative to you light is still traveling C faster than you. This is one way to look at it.
But if it's travelling C faster than you, then it's not constant...but if it's not constant, then it has to be...I'm so confused.:rotfl:

It's kind of like a favorite old conundrum: There's an exception to every rule...except that one.
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Old 08-17-07, 05:17 PM   #33
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Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it.
Erm...but...if it IS going faster than the speed of light...how will you see it? :hmm:
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Old 08-17-07, 07:02 PM   #34
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doesnt enyone know that by the time we even get to the technological potential to travel even close to the speed of light the human race would have wiped itself offthe face of the planet... (whatch the movie the time machine...we wipe ourselves out.. gonna happen sooner or later)
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Old 08-17-07, 07:47 PM   #35
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Science is organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits on mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined.
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Old 08-17-07, 09:05 PM   #36
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Science is organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits on mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined.

Yeah....what he said.....what did he say?:hmm:
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Is that original Yahoshua?:hmm:
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You know that fusion is hot (h-bombs, the sun), but cold fusion was the 'holy grail' of unlimited benign power. The evil oil companies bought up all the rights, and have buried it.

wrong my fiend h-bombs are fission not fusion the sun is fusion
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doesnt enyone know that by the time we even get to the technological potential to travel even close to the speed of light the human race would have wiped itself offthe face of the planet... (whatch the movie the time machine...we wipe ourselves out.. gonna happen sooner or later)
No one can know that now. Humanity could live for another billion years, possibly transformed into another form of being but I agree we might as well be wiped out in a decade.
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You know that fusion is hot (h-bombs, the sun), but cold fusion was the 'holy grail' of unlimited benign power. The evil oil companies bought up all the rights, and have buried it.

wrong my fiend h-bombs are fission not fusion the sun is fusion
I think you have your A's and H's mixed:

A-bombs, or fission bombs;
H-bombs, thermonuclear bombs, or fusion bombs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon
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You know that fusion is hot (h-bombs, the sun), but cold fusion was the 'holy grail' of unlimited benign power. The evil oil companies bought up all the rights, and have buried it.

wrong my fiend h-bombs are fission not fusion the sun is fusion
I think you have your A's and H's mixed:

A-bombs, or fission bombs;
H-bombs, thermonuclear bombs, or fusion bombs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon
Well..in the Teller-Ulam design it's both technically... :hmm:
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ok you got me there but the difference between that and cold fussion is immense
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Fission, fussion whats the confusion?
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Fission, fussion whats the confusion?
It all clear to me!

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