PC north of the border

[jumpy]

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/16309

Seems that before too much longer that we will not be allowed to eat in public during Ramadan lest we offend... who, exactly?

Na’eem Raza, a senior consultant with the firm, said he was thrilled that the health boards had formally adopted the guidance.

Yes, I'm sure he is.


I can understand this attitude in a muslim country; when I lived in Bahrain, during Ramadan (as a european expatriot) and out of respect for local custom, we refrained from eating and drinking in public - when in Rome, and all of that.

However I find this to be contrary to the majority in the UK.

We are not a muslim country.

For the most part we are a secular society. Is it not enough that we accommodate our strictly pious mohammedan brethren with prayer rooms and the like at the work place? Can they not spend their lunch hour or whatever, cloistered away from the rest of us so they are not offended by our epicurean habits?

I must point out that most of the muslims I encountered abroad were not overly concerned by expats eating in public during ramadan - whilst they appreciated our consideration for their ways, they took the view that we were not of the faith, so why should we feel obliged to conform? Though there were some who felt this was more due to our ignorance of the 'proper ways to live' etc ie. as a muslim, than out of any sense of diversity.

Which draws me to the conclusion that the real problem here is one created, for the most part, by ingratiatingly spineless lefty do gooders who pride themselves on being offended on behalf of others, who seem to think that there is always something to which we must adapt our behaviour to in order to make someone else feel welcome. I'm sure there are plenty of muslims who might find such a toadying attitude embarrassing - "Ah, you did all of this, just for me? Err, that's really great, ahem, eer, you are most kind, drawing attention to our cultural differences by making everyone else change their actions to make me feel welcome... thank you."

Despite it being my home, this country stinks more and more with every passing day. And leaving aside the nutjobs for a moment, we are the ones causing it with these ridiculous assertations handed on down in the specious claims of equality.

[The Avon Lady]

I was waiting for Steed to post this a few days ago.

Is that why they call you Jumpy? :p

[The Avon Lady]

Posted by Jihad Watch's Hugh Fitzgerald:

Surely the whole point to fasting at Ramadan is to demonstrate that one is able to do so, is able to refrain from eating. And part of the effort should be to withstand temptation. It is idiotic to insist that non-Muslims refrain from eating, in other words idiotic, and cruel, and sinister, to ask them essentially to participate in some way in Ramadan, by themselves refraining from a meal. The adherents of no other religion ask that those not of that religion strictly observe, in order not to tempt, those observing certain religious dietary restrictions. Catholics during Lent did not demand that non-Catholics avoid eating meat; Jews do not demand that non-Jews refrain from eating pork, say, in the school cafeteria; Hindus do not insist that non-Hindu colleagues abstain from the meat of cattle. Only in the case of Muslims must the whole world join in.

And as bears repeating, this is absurd. Religiously-prompted dietary rules are occasions for demonstrating one's self-control. What self-control is being demonstrated if Muslims noisily and aggressively insist that non-Muslms must do nothing to provide "temptation" to the fasting Muslims?

Absurd, and disgusting. But no longer surprising.

As for this Muslim "consultancy" Meem, apparently spreading the Good Word about Islam far and wide all over Scotland, the Scottish Parliament should stop throwing money its way, and so should every other institution in Scotland. There has to be a stop, full stop, put to such demeaning and stupid acceptance of Muslim demands, or Muslim "advice" as to how to "win" Muslim hearts and Muslim minds.

Throw out all those political leaders who think this kind of thing is to be tolerated or, still worse, encouraged. Vote them out. No matter how much you agree with them on other issues, if they are appeasement-minded when it comes to Islam, they represent a menace to you that outweighs any conceivable good they might do. Their party does not matter. Vote them out.

Posted by: Hugh at August 14, 2007 9:02 PM

UPDATE: Good luck, Scotland!

[STEED]

I see that old gem is back.

Well if I was in that situation I would tell them to get a life you sad plonkers.

And ask who exactly put this stupid idea forward? And I bet you here and now you would never find out and why? Simple, these twisted mined scum of the earth are cowards and they hind in the background behind simple minded liberal loonies who could not tell the difference from there ass and elbow.

Its not law and the muslim are not offended its time lock up these PC plonkers for life I say, just like the hot cross bun tosh a few years ago a radio station rung the British muslim council and they answered we are not offended and not interested in any way.

PC Loonies are causing a great deal of harm and mistrust with there no end of vile poison they release on to us, all they are is a bunch of sad acts who have no life at all.

[antikristuseke]

Its things like these that caused the invantion of sharpened sticks to stab at eachothers genitals in the first place, if anyone tried to force me to follow that id concider stabbing them in the groin a viable alternative to saying "No."
Seriously, this political correctness crap has been taken too far and now instead of being benign it is invasive and causes more problems than it even atempts to solve.

[Tchocky]

Argh, that's mental.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Its things like these that caused the invantion of sharpened sticks to stab at eachothers genitals in the first place

No. Sharpened sticks were first used to roast marshamallows while watching 2 people going at each other with wooden clubs and stones.

[antikristuseke]

We are speaking of two distinctly differet form of sharpened sticks, they both stem from the same hunting spear but one is used asa cooking utencil while the others only purpouse is to jab at genitals, they look the same to the untrained eye

[Chock]

Yup, seen the story a while ago. Anyone non-Muslim who adheres guidelines such as these, is a spineless moron.

Personally, I would go out of my way to be seen eating as much as possible if anyone tried to force this kind of crap on me. The quote on the original story link which says it would 'not cause resentment' is about as far removed from reality as it is possible to get. And, given that it comes from someone who works at a consultancy agency, I think it says a lot about the kind of consulting that company can offer. None of it good.

There is one good thing about this though: It does make me laugh to see that it was from the Daily Express. This being a newspaper that is generally aimed at people who are, politically, slightly right of Hitler. I bet D.E. readers were having heart attacks all over the country reading that over breakfast, which is no bad thing in my opinion:rotfl:

Chock

[Tchocky]

Wait, how is Diana involved in this one?

[SUBMAN1]

Seems to me that you are going to need your guns back at some point...

-S

[STEED]

Lock and Load people time to kick PC butt.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Chock

Yup, seen the story a while ago. Anyone non-Muslim who adheres guidelines such as these, is a spineless moron.

Personally, I would go out of my way to be seen eating as much as possible if anyone tried to force this kind of crap on me. The quote on the original story link which says it would 'not cause resentment' is about as far removed from reality as it is possible to get. And, given that it comes from someone who works at a consultancy agency, I think it says a lot about the kind of consulting that company can offer. None of it good.

There is one good thing about this though: It does make me laugh to see that it was from the Daily Express. This being a newspaper that is generally aimed at people who are, politically, slightly right of Hitler. I bet D.E. readers were having heart attacks all over the country reading that over breakfast, which is no bad thing in my opinion:rotfl:

Chock

I'm with Chock on this one. Watch my behind sit down with a large fat burger and fries during the holy month. All this talk of tolerance. Getting a bit old in my book and getting extremely out of hand. Having to run and hide to eat your sandwich is just plain stupid. Perhaps these folks who observe this month long fasting should have the month off. Offer them half pay or none at all because if you decide to pay them just about everyone in the office will become a month long faster for Ramadon.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm with Chock on this one. Watch my behind sit down with a large fat burger and fries during the holy month. All this talk of tolerance. Getting a bit old in my book and getting extremely out of hand. Having to run and hide to eat your sandwich is just plain stupid. Perhaps these folks who observe this month long fasting should have the month off. Offer them half pay or none at all because if you decide to pay them just about everyone in the office will become a month long faster for Ramadon.

Why not go one major step forward and make that a ham sandwich! :p

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Why not go one major step forward and make that a ham sandwich! :p

Touche'