about decoys

Capt. Shark Bait · 08-14-07, 04:17 AM

at which point were they used? used them a coupla times when i first started the war, but then read here they weren't in use so i havn't since them, but i definitely coulda used them just now

. i'm up to early 44

switch.dota · 08-14-07, 04:19 AM

I never used them, particularly becauseI don't know HOW to use them and after reading here they were not historically accurate, I decided not to bother.

Capt. Shark Bait · 08-14-07, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by switch.dota

I never used them, particularly becauseI don't know HOW to use them and after reading here they were not historically accurate, I decided not to bother.

yeah, that's why i didn't use them after a coupla times, but i think they were in use later in the war

AkbarGulag · 08-14-07, 04:40 AM

I do not know when they were used strategically in RL, but best protocol is to deploy one just before you tack... throttle up and gain some speed, as, most likely, you are deploying because you have been detected anyway, then deploy a decoy, alter course and cut engines, changing depth is also advisable at this point. Enemy sonar will (possibly) notice the decoy rather than your sub. Run silent, run deep.

The decoys will last a number of minutes. At least, they did in SH3. Don't bother with them in SH4 myself, after all, they were a german counter-measure.

Capt. Shark Bait · 08-14-07, 04:43 AM

:hmm: , maybe the decoys in SH4 were meant to be like shooting junk out a torpedo tube?

AkbarGulag · 08-14-07, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt. Shark Bait

:hmm: , maybe the decoys in SH4 were meant to be like shooting junk out a torpedo tube?

Haha, I imagine its a leftover from SH3. I guess the developers didn't see the point in leaving something that was already created out.

M. Sarsfield · 08-14-07, 07:40 AM

I think in the original SH you could jettison debris one time per engagement and it was a crap shoot whether they would take the bait or not, depending on how well they had you locked on - especially if three DD's were circling overhead.

tater · 08-14-07, 08:09 AM

The US had such things, but the only refs I see to them at all are late 1944 (November on).

tater

M. Sarsfield · 08-14-07, 08:17 AM

That makes sense, since U-505 was captured in June 1944. U.S. engineers probably liked the idea or at least decided to give it a try.

tater · 08-14-07, 08:29 AM

Lockwood had them working on stuff long before U-505. BuOrd was not fast.

Actually, the USN was PISSED at the capture of U-505. There was simply too much of a chance the sub in town might have been observed by the germans. Had they seen it, they would have known that their codes were compromised. The Navy viewed that possibility as far more harmful than any possible gain from having the boat.

tater

STEED · 08-14-07, 08:46 AM

I used them once and they were a bit of a flop your better off going deep.

kikn79 · 08-14-07, 10:25 AM

According to Sink 'em All by Charles Lockwood:

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While at Pearl Harbor on April 19th, I took advantage of the opportunity to see test runs of a secret decoy intended to aid submarines in evading counterattacks by escort vessels. Skate and the destroyer escort, Whitman put on the show and, after the submarine acquired the proper technique, she succeeded in eluding the DE in both of the final runs. This was the gadget which I had first seen operating in a fresh water reservoir in August, 1944, and for which we had been praying ever since Its use in enemy waters might have saved the lives of hundreds of submariners and millions of dollars worth of submarines.

Chuck

Fat Bhoy Tim · 08-14-07, 10:53 AM

Decoys are superb, but only if used right. You've fired your fish, the sharks are homing in ahead, it's time to bug out.

As someone suggested above, run at flank speed as you dive and deploy one. If there's a thermal layer, cut the engines back to 2 knots and silent running, and change course. Works a treat for me. I had 12 Jap DDs depth charging the **** out of my decoy as I made a smug escape.

Captain_AJ · 08-14-07, 03:54 PM

Reading above . thermal layer works incredabilly !!

FAdmiral · 08-14-07, 06:17 PM

Actually, the thermal layer works too good. It will fool them all except for
"Bungo Pete", nothing fools him....

JIM

08-14-07, 04:17 AM	#1
Capt. Shark Bait Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in a convergance zone Posts: 1,186 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	about decoys at which point were they used? used them a coupla times when i first started the war, but then read here they weren't in use so i havn't since them, but i definitely coulda used them just now . i'm up to early 44 __________________ Leiser und tödlicher edler Ritter der Tiefe Corsair Vengeance M70; ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z; FX 8350; Asus 7870; Samsung SyncMaster 2243SWX; coolmax CUG950B 950w psu; 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3; Corsair M4 SSD 128GB, WD 1TB; x18 DVR212D; 7SP1

08-14-07, 04:40 AM	#4
AkbarGulag Samurai Navy Join Date: May 2007 Location: cfgdatsimZOMGddstgasns Posts: 571 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 1	I do not know when they were used strategically in RL, but best protocol is to deploy one just before you tack... throttle up and gain some speed, as, most likely, you are deploying because you have been detected anyway, then deploy a decoy, alter course and cut engines, changing depth is also advisable at this point. Enemy sonar will (possibly) notice the decoy rather than your sub. Run silent, run deep. The decoys will last a number of minutes. At least, they did in SH3. Don't bother with them in SH4 myself, after all, they were a german counter-measure. __________________ "6 days into his patrol, the first enemy ship was spotted... a trawler... ...It was at this point, Captain AkbarGulag realised how green his crew was..."

08-14-07, 04:43 AM	#5
Capt. Shark Bait Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in a convergance zone Posts: 1,186 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	:hmm: , maybe the decoys in SH4 were meant to be like shooting junk out a torpedo tube? __________________ Leiser und tödlicher edler Ritter der Tiefe Corsair Vengeance M70; ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z; FX 8350; Asus 7870; Samsung SyncMaster 2243SWX; coolmax CUG950B 950w psu; 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3; Corsair M4 SSD 128GB, WD 1TB; x18 DVR212D; 7SP1

08-14-07, 07:40 AM	#7
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think in the original SH you could jettison debris one time per engagement and it was a crap shoot whether they would take the bait or not, depending on how well they had you locked on - especially if three DD's were circling overhead. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

08-14-07, 08:17 AM	#9
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That makes sense, since U-505 was captured in June 1944. U.S. engineers probably liked the idea or at least decided to give it a try. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

08-14-07, 04:19 AM	#2
switch.dota Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 492 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I never used them, particularly becauseI don't know HOW to use them and after reading here they were not historically accurate, I decided not to bother.

08-14-07, 08:09 AM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The US had such things, but the only refs I see to them at all are late 1944 (November on). tater

08-14-07, 08:29 AM	#10
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Lockwood had them working on stuff long before U-505. BuOrd was not fast. Actually, the USN was PISSED at the capture of U-505. There was simply too much of a chance the sub in town might have been observed by the germans. Had they seen it, they would have known that their codes were compromised. The Navy viewed that possibility as far more harmful than any possible gain from having the boat. tater

08-14-07, 08:46 AM	#11
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I used them once and they were a bit of a flop your better off going deep. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

08-14-07, 10:53 AM	#13
Fat Bhoy Tim Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Abu Dhabi Posts: 338 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Decoys are superb, but only if used right. You've fired your fish, the sharks are homing in ahead, it's time to bug out. As someone suggested above, run at flank speed as you dive and deploy one. If there's a thermal layer, cut the engines back to 2 knots and silent running, and change course. Works a treat for me. I had 12 Jap DDs depth charging the **** out of my decoy as I made a smug escape. __________________ Some men are born great, some achieve greatness, and some will always be total gits.

08-14-07, 03:54 PM	#14
Captain_AJ Crusty Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 649 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	Thermal layer works awesome Reading above . thermal layer works incredabilly !! __________________ Captain AJ

08-14-07, 06:17 PM	#15
FAdmiral Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 1,079 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Actually, the thermal layer works too good. It will fool them all except for *"Bungo Pete", nothing fools him.... JIM __________________ If you\'re not taking losses, you\'re not doing enough. RAdm. Kelly Turner, USN ********************************* www.fairtax.org