VIIC and VIIC/41

joegrundman · 08-07-07, 12:59 AM

So finally I have made it towards the end of 43. Damn that was a tough year. I had to abort two patrols due to damage, and hardly ever returned to base without at least one scope knocked out. On one patrol i crawled back without either scope, hydrophones, or radar. Average tonnage scores dropped down from 50 or 60 kt to about 20 kt, although i did get 98kt on one patrol when i chanced upon a convoy with two liners in it. I also sank a bogue - that was satisfying, but then i lost all my sensors as just mentioned.

Anyway, I am now offered a VIIC/41 for the first time. On the equipment screen, the offered stats for the VIIC and VIIC/41 show no differences at all. This can't be right. Does anyone know what the differences are and whether it is worth the upgrade cost?

Sledgehammer427 · 08-07-07, 01:25 AM

the Typ VIIc/41 was germany's first venture into truly quieting the U-boats. all of them did not have a deck gun, they all had schnorkels, and im sure they all have the upgraded "wintergarten" with 2 light and 1 heavy flak emplacements. the only advantages are the fact that you can run underwater with the schnorkel, and you dont have to worry about a deck gun. i just built a model of one actually.
but im sure upgrading has its advantages, ive never gotten that far, im still stuck in happy time

good luck!

SLedgehammer427

joegrundman · 08-07-07, 01:31 AM

cheers

that's quite an advantage. So you can't fit a schnorkel on the older model, then?

If that's the deal, I'm going shopping

Sledgehammer427 · 08-07-07, 01:43 AM

well, i got back from creating a 1943 campaign, and ive found that i cannot fix the schnorkel on my VIIC, it just wont go on, i hate it but whatever, you can basically make a VIIC/41 by consistently upgrading your regular seven, the last conning tower upgrade before U-flak, somehow fitting a schnorkel, i put on a few engine upgrades myself, and so on.

joegrundman · 08-07-07, 02:38 AM

I can say now, having put to sea in a nice new VIIC/41 "WeisseSchnecke", it comes with the type2 conning tower, rather than the type 3, and no schnorkel fitted.

The deck gun is indeed absent, but I am yet to see if that amounts to an advantage in the game. I.e., it doesn't appear to yield faster submerged speed and i don't know how i can assess the quieter running that this may permit.

At the moment i'm not sure whether or not it was a wise investment...i was saving up reknown for a XXI

danurve · 08-07-07, 08:05 AM

Well the old VIIB is working for now, but when you think about it after '42 the deck gun is just extra baggage. Quieter would be good.

Deeper Cheif ..

filefool · 08-07-07, 08:13 AM

If you have neither Cobalts VIIC/41 Mod nor SH3 Commander it is just a perfect carbon copy of the VIIC.

The VIIC/41 was an improvement over the VIIC in real life (mostly because of the greater diving depth). But due to lack of time (or whatever) the developers just cloned the VIIC and wrote another name on it. So if you got Stock SH3 theres no point in getting it.

nikbear · 08-07-07, 08:18 AM

Cobalts VIIC/41 is what you need,a stunning rendition with all the performance

joegrundman · 08-07-07, 09:14 AM

I play GWX, but the news isn't good. You are saying I just blew 5000+ reknown on having my deck gun removed? What a con...I feel like a real fool.

I'll have to look into this cobalt's mod. GWX compatible i hope

looney · 08-07-07, 09:53 AM

If you install it with JSGME does it change to the new specs or does it replace the old VIIC?

Heibges · 08-07-07, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikbear

Cobalts VIIC/41 is what you need,a stunning rendition with all the performance

If I install this when I am in a VIIC, does it turn my VIIC into a VIIC/41?

nikbear · 08-07-07, 10:08 AM

It changes to the new proper Type41C specifications and replaces the typeVIIC/41 model in game(just a normal typeVII)with a properly modelled typeVII/C41 with the liferaft canisters on the fore deck and everything,its an excellent addition and well worth getting

recommended!Its GWX compatible and can be installed via JSGME,although you have to create a seperate folder and then install it in JSGME I seem to remember,something like that,somebody else will confirm hopefully

08-07-07, 10:51 AM

Just started a new campaign in the med with Cobalt C41. My last boat was lost because of one pesky DD which I couldn't shake. Now in Jan 44 I've spotted a convoy and DDs went straight onto me... they're trying to waste my new precious lil boat...

Med is crazy but so far C41 rulez! She's a beauty!! Go for it (I'm not using SH3Cmd so the game thinks it's a normal VIIC but it doesn't matter)!

08-07-07, 12:59 AM	#1
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	VIIC and VIIC/41 So finally I have made it towards the end of 43. Damn that was a tough year. I had to abort two patrols due to damage, and hardly ever returned to base without at least one scope knocked out. On one patrol i crawled back without either scope, hydrophones, or radar. Average tonnage scores dropped down from 50 or 60 kt to about 20 kt, although i did get 98kt on one patrol when i chanced upon a convoy with two liners in it. I also sank a bogue - that was satisfying, but then i lost all my sensors as just mentioned. Anyway, I am now offered a VIIC/41 for the first time. On the equipment screen, the offered stats for the VIIC and VIIC/41 show no differences at all. This can't be right. Does anyone know what the differences are and whether it is worth the upgrade cost? __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

08-07-07, 01:25 AM	#2
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	the Typ VIIc/41 was germany's first venture into truly quieting the U-boats. all of them did not have a deck gun, they all had schnorkels, and im sure they all have the upgraded "wintergarten" with 2 light and 1 heavy flak emplacements. the only advantages are the fact that you can run underwater with the schnorkel, and you dont have to worry about a deck gun. i just built a model of one actually. but im sure upgrading has its advantages, ive never gotten that far, im still stuck in happy time good luck! SLedgehammer427 __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

08-07-07, 01:31 AM	#3
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	cheers that's quite an advantage. So you can't fit a schnorkel on the older model, then? If that's the deal, I'm going shopping __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

08-07-07, 01:43 AM	#4
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	well, i got back from creating a 1943 campaign, and ive found that i cannot fix the schnorkel on my VIIC, it just wont go on, i hate it but whatever, you can basically make a VIIC/41 by consistently upgrading your regular seven, the last conning tower upgrade before U-flak, somehow fitting a schnorkel, i put on a few engine upgrades myself, and so on. __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

08-07-07, 02:38 AM	#5
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	I can say now, having put to sea in a nice new VIIC/41 "WeisseSchnecke", it comes with the type2 conning tower, rather than the type 3, and no schnorkel fitted. The deck gun is indeed absent, but I am yet to see if that amounts to an advantage in the game. I.e., it doesn't appear to yield faster submerged speed and i don't know how i can assess the quieter running that this may permit. At the moment i'm not sure whether or not it was a wise investment...i was saving up reknown for a XXI __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

08-07-07, 08:05 AM	#6
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	Well the old VIIB is working for now, but when you think about it after '42 the deck gun is just extra baggage. Quieter would be good. Deeper Cheif .. __________________

08-07-07, 08:13 AM	#7
filefool Loader Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austria. Far away from any port or shore. Posts: 87 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If you have neither Cobalts VIIC/41 Mod nor SH3 Commander it is just a perfect carbon copy of the VIIC. The VIIC/41 was an improvement over the VIIC in real life (mostly because of the greater diving depth). But due to lack of time (or whatever) the developers just cloned the VIIC and wrote another name on it. So if you got Stock SH3 theres no point in getting it. __________________

08-07-07, 08:18 AM	#8
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Cobalts VIIC/41 is what you need,a stunning rendition with all the performance __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

08-07-07, 09:14 AM	#9
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	I play GWX, but the news isn't good. You are saying I just blew 5000+ reknown on having my deck gun removed? What a con...I feel like a real fool. I'll have to look into this cobalt's mod. GWX compatible i hope __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

08-07-07, 09:53 AM	#10
looney Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sneek, The Netherlands Posts: 635 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	If you install it with JSGME does it change to the new specs or does it replace the old VIIC?

08-07-07, 10:08 AM	#12
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	It changes to the new proper Type41C specifications and replaces the typeVIIC/41 model in game(just a normal typeVII)with a properly modelled typeVII/C41 with the liferaft canisters on the fore deck and everything,its an excellent addition and well worth getting recommended!Its GWX compatible and can be installed via JSGME,although you have to create a seperate folder and then install it in JSGME I seem to remember,something like that,somebody else will confirm hopefully __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal. Last edited by nikbear; 08-07-07 at 10:47 AM.

08-07-07, 10:51 AM	#13
Hadrys Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Just started a new campaign in the med with Cobalt C41. My last boat was lost because of one pesky DD which I couldn't shake. Now in Jan 44 I've spotted a convoy and DDs went straight onto me... they're trying to waste my new precious lil boat... Med is crazy but so far C41 rulez! She's a beauty!! Go for it (I'm not using SH3Cmd so the game thinks it's a normal VIIC but it doesn't matter)!