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Old 08-03-07, 04:41 PM   #1
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............they will run an advertisement to bolster themselves. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5024646.html


1. Raising the minimum wage. Result: Employers lay off the least productive workers...the very group the increase is supposed to help. Also, it puts pressure on inflation.
2. Expanded health care. Result: No real plan in place. If passed, your taxes will increase to pay for it. The Wisconsin Plan suggests over $500 per month in higher payroll taxes. Also expect decreased quality and longer waits like the experience in Canada. Hillary has already promised a tax increase.
3. End the war. Result: They haven't done a damn thing, other than help our enemies.
4. Immigration. Result: They don't even want to talk about this one.
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Old 08-03-07, 04:54 PM   #2
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i opt for crying, because you know this won't end here. The repubs will be doing a countering ad soon. This is a new trend.

I think anyone that partakes in this should be voted out of office. Its an outrage.
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Old 08-03-07, 05:38 PM   #3
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You are kidding right. You are against lower-income children having health care?
You are for tax breaks for the rich, but against the poor having a pay raise since a decade. Surely a dollar isn't the same as ten years ago?

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3. End the war. Result: They haven't done a damn thing, other than help our enemies.
What have we accomplished in Iraq so far after five years?
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Old 08-03-07, 06:19 PM   #4
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You are kidding right. You are against lower-income children having health care?
You are for tax breaks for the rich, but against the poor having a pay raise since a decade. Surely a dollar isn't the same as ten years ago?

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3. End the war. Result: They haven't done a damn thing, other than help our enemies.
What have we accomplished in Iraq so far after five years?
I'm not at all against lower-income people (children included) having health care, and it is available for them. Priorities of those low-income families are the subject, not availability.

Tax cuts aren't just for the rich. That is the big lie. The middle class bears the greatest tax burden and the class which receive the greatest cuts. The 'poor' don't pay income tax. Perhaps a national sales tax iso income tax would be more fair.

National democratic elections is certainly progress, especially after a dictatorship going back to 1979.
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Old 08-03-07, 09:31 PM   #5
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Tax cuts aren't just for the rich. That is the big lie. The middle class bears the greatest tax burden and the class which receive the greatest cuts. The 'poor' don't pay income tax. Perhaps a national sales tax iso income tax would be more fair.
Over the ten-year period, the richest Americans—the best-off one percent—are slated to receive tax cuts totaling almost half a trillion dollars. The $477 billion in tax breaks the Bush administration has targeted to this elite group will average $342,000 each over the decade.
By 2010, when (and if) the Bush tax reductions are fully in place, an astonishing 52 percent of the total tax cuts will go to the richest one percent—whose average 2010 income will be $1.5 million. Their tax-cut windfall in that year alone will average $85,000 each. Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010, $121 billion will go just 1.4 million taxpayers.
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I'm not at all against lower-income people (children included) having health care, and it is available for them. Priorities of those low-income families are the subject, not availability.
Thats not what you said in item 2 of your opening comments in regards to that ad.

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National democratic elections is certainly progress, especially after a dictatorship going back to 1979.
This subject has been beat to death so I'll leave it alone.
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Old 08-03-07, 09:51 PM   #6
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4. Immigration. Result: They don't even want to talk about this one.
Forgot this one.
Yes, I do agree with you on this one.
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Old 08-03-07, 09:59 PM   #7
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Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010, $121 billion will go just 1.4 million taxpayers.
You're talking amounts. What's the percentage of tax cut?
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Yep. this Democrat controlled Congress is a total failure. We definitely need a change. They are leading us into ruins. And the American people largely agree. Have you seen how the U.S. population is rating the Dem's???
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Old 08-04-07, 12:05 PM   #9
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If you did away with all income taxes, the richest would get the biggest break. That's mainly because they pay the most in the first place. The modern income tax was created in 1913 primarily to make the rich "pay their fair share".
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Yep. this Democrat controlled Congress is a total failure. We definitely need a change. They are leading us into ruins. And the American people largely agree. Have you seen how the U.S. population is rating the Dem's???
The Republican were leading us to ruin. The Democrats are leading us to ruin. Whats left?
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A coin with more than two sides, maybe.

I don't see what's so wrong with the ad. It's propoganda, and should be regarded as such.

Thread title....Congress isn't taking the ad out, it's the Democratic Party. There's quite a difference.
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Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010, $121 billion will go just 1.4 million taxpayers.
You're talking amounts. What's the percentage of tax cut?
Read table three. Or to put it simply:

Middle 20% - 8.9%
Top 1% - 24.2%
Over 1 million - 15.3%

A little disparity huh?
Over the next 10 years, total tax-cut costs will equal $3.9 trillion, reaching nearly $600 billion or 3.3 percent of the economy in 2014 alone.
Yeah, really helping America!

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Put another way, of the estimated $234 billion in tax cuts scheduled for the year 2010, $121 billion will go just 1.4 million taxpayers.
You're talking amounts. What's the percentage of tax cut?
Read table three. Or to put it simply:

Middle 20% - 8.9%
Top 1% - 24.2%
Over 1 million - 15.3%

A little disparity huh?
Over the next 10 years, total tax-cut costs will equal $3.9 trillion, reaching nearly $600 billion or 3.3 percent of the economy in 2014 alone.
Yeah, really helping America!

http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm
Well i've always been a proponent of a flat tax rate so I'd prefer it to be a flat tax cut rate as well. I am however still in favor of tax cuts and 8.9% is better than nothing, or worse a tax increase.
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nuke the world and start over
Sorry Sonny, life isn't a video game. There's no reset button. You play your cards as they're dealt and die eventually, hopefully with the knowledge that you contributed to your species rather than detracted from it.
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