Perhaps?

AVGWarhawk · 08-01-07, 05:40 AM

As we all know the percent function for the damaged boat is not present in SH4. In SH3 we had the nice little percent indicator for how badly damaged the boat is. Being that SH4 is almost a mirror image SH3 in many respects concerning the engine and files to run the game, could the file for percent damaged in SH3 be ported to SH4?:hmm:

CaptainCox · 08-01-07, 09:46 AM

Somewhat I feel that the indicators (red bars) of each damaged component is more realistic. I know what you mean but, would be a bit more easy to read etc.

Misfit138 · 08-01-07, 09:55 AM

Heh, kind of funny that modders were asked to remove that percentage indicator in SH3. Now in SH4 it's the opposite :p

Personally, I like the SH4 way more but that's just me

Ducimus · 08-01-07, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCox

Somewhat I feel that the indicators (red bars) of each damaged component is more realistic. I know what you mean but, would be a bit more easy to read etc.

Unless i was seeing things, i noticed one day if you bring the mouse pointer up to one of those little bars (not the part, but the acutal bar) a little tooltip comes up that is scaled from 0 to 1.. with 0.5 being 50% i guess.

tater · 08-01-07, 11:31 AM

I'm not a big fan of a % indicator. I could see having a few damage reports possible from your DC team. Like:

"Hull seems uncompromised, sir."
"The hull has sustained damage, sir, it appears to be minor."
"The hull has sustained damage sir, and is probably compromised. Deep diving might be dangerous. The only way to tell will be drydock."
"We've taken serious hull damage, no submerged operations are safe. We need to get back to the barn"

The first would be what you'd hear if you took no damage at all yet, or some minor amount.

The second would be if you sustained damage that manifested itself inside the boat.

The third is the same as the second, but above some threshhold, a hole damage template (or equiv damage) is what I would thing..

The forth is above some very critical level.

Anything that right now would make a hole template in the boat should get #3+, IMO. All would have some chance of total failure except undamaged at all.

AVGWarhawk · 08-01-07, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

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Originally Posted by CaptainCox

Somewhat I feel that the indicators (red bars) of each damaged component is more realistic. I know what you mean but, would be a bit more easy to read etc.

Unless i was seeing things, i noticed one day if you bring the mouse pointer up to one of those little bars (not the part, but the acutal bar) a little tooltip comes up that is scaled from 0 to 1.. with 0.5 being 50% i guess.

I think this is repair time to completion.

AVGWarhawk · 08-01-07, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I'm not a big fan of a % indicator. I could see having a few damage reports possible from your DC team. Like:

"Hull seems uncompromised, sir."
"The hull has sustained damage, sir, it appears to be minor."
"The hull has sustained damage sir, and is probably compromised. Deep diving might be dangerous. The only way to tell will be drydock."
"We've taken serious hull damage, no submerged operations are safe. We need to get back to the barn"

The first would be what you'd hear if you took no damage at all yet, or some minor amount.

The second would be if you sustained damage that manifested itself inside the boat.

The third is the same as the second, but above some threshhold, a hole damage template (or equiv damage) is what I would thing..

The forth is above some very critical level.

Anything that right now would make a hole template in the boat should get #3+, IMO. All would have some chance of total failure except undamaged at all.

I would like this also Tater but I think it is not achievable. I think the only avenue we have is possibly using the SH3 file for % damage. Could be wrong here. I was not a big fan of % damage in SH3 and always had it off.

LukeFF · 08-01-07, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I would like this also Tater but I think it is not achievable. I think the only avenue we have is possibly using the SH3 file for % damage. Could be wrong here. I was not a big fan of % damage in SH3 and always had it off.

It'd be nice to replace that percentage string with a line of text, something like the following:

No damage: Hull Intact
90-99% integrity: Hull Lightly Damaged
70-89%: Hull Moderatly Damaged
<70%: Hull Severely Damaged

tater · 08-01-07, 05:54 PM

^^^ except I don't want to be even that sure at all, lol.

LukeFF · 08-01-07, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

^^^ except I don't want to be even that sure at all, lol.

Okay, so how about-

100%: Hull Intact
<100%: Hull Damaged

tater · 08-01-07, 07:16 PM

I kinda play that way, if I take any damage, I assume the hull might be compromised and I'm careful.

The following is fantasy, but what I'd like to have seen.

Ideally the game would compare the actual hull damage % (assuming it has that someplace) to the crew quality in some way, and randomly let you know about damage in some catagories.

Say the hull is 20% damaged, if you have a good crew, there might be a X% chance each watch that they will report a problem with the hull. Then you'd get a report that in the last few minutes they've discovered some problems with the hull. The better the crew, the more likely they catch it, and the more accurate their report is.

The reports would still need to be the sort of stuff you might actually hear. "It's probably OK to continue" level, "we can continue the patrol, but we need to be careful," and "we should probably head home for repairs."

tater

switch.dota · 08-01-07, 07:37 PM

Actually I just noticed something: you ARE told about the integrity of the sub's hull! In SH IV. Stock 1.3 patch.

How? Take some damage and repair it, the same way you always do. Now look at the crew management screen. You'll see the repair team's name in red (used to be golden) text. Hover over that for a few seconds and a popup window will tell you something like "Damage Control Team / Damaged x/100 / Time to repair 0 seconds". This is after all repairs are finished. I might be wrong but I'm guessing that x/100 is the amount of overall damage you have.

Fearless · 08-01-07, 08:04 PM

Or something like "Sir, we've done the best we can but suggest heading back" and "Only shallow dive is possible Sir!"

tater · 08-01-07, 08:23 PM

^^^ yeah, IF they catch the problem (which should be a "die roll" based on crew skill and the severity of the damage).

Reaves · 08-01-07, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Misfit138

Heh, kind of funny that modders were asked to remove that percentage indicator in SH3. Now in SH4 it's the opposite :p

Personally, I like the SH4 way more but that's just me

Sorry to go off topic but..

Nice name, fiend for life here as well..

08-01-07, 05:40 AM	#1
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08-01-07, 09:46 AM	#2
CaptainCox Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: A Swede in Frankfurt am Main Posts: 1,897 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Somewhat I feel that the indicators (red bars) of each damaged component is more realistic. I know what you mean but, would be a bit more easy to read etc. __________________ DOWNLOAD MY MODS HERE

08-01-07, 08:04 PM	#13
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Or something like "Sir, we've done the best we can but suggest heading back" and "Only shallow dive is possible Sir!" __________________ Fearless System Specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.8GHz Base Clock, 4.7GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache \| MSI GeForce RTX3060Ti 8Gb Graphics \| Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32Gb (2x16Gb) 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Ram \| Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD 1TB \| Seagate Barracuda 2.5in 2TB HDD \| AOC QHD 165 Hz FreeSync HDR curved 31.5in Monitor \| ASUS ROG Strix LC 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition \| ASUS ROG Strix Gold 750W Modular Power Supply \| Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case White.

08-01-07, 09:55 AM	#3
Misfit138 Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 267 Downloads: 80 Uploads: 0	Heh, kind of funny that modders were asked to remove that percentage indicator in SH3. Now in SH4 it's the opposite :p Personally, I like the SH4 way more but that's just me

08-01-07, 11:31 AM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'm not a big fan of a % indicator. I could see having a few damage reports possible from your DC team. Like: "Hull seems uncompromised, sir." "The hull has sustained damage, sir, it appears to be minor." "The hull has sustained damage sir, and is probably compromised. Deep diving might be dangerous. The only way to tell will be drydock." "We've taken serious hull damage, no submerged operations are safe. We need to get back to the barn" The first would be what you'd hear if you took no damage at all yet, or some minor amount. The second would be if you sustained damage that manifested itself inside the boat. The third is the same as the second, but above some threshhold, a hole damage template (or equiv damage) is what I would thing.. The forth is above some very critical level. Anything that right now would make a hole template in the boat should get #3+, IMO. All would have some chance of total failure except undamaged at all.

08-01-07, 05:54 PM	#9
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	^^^ except I don't want to be even that sure at all, lol.

08-01-07, 07:16 PM	#11
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I kinda play that way, if I take any damage, I assume the hull might be compromised and I'm careful. The following is fantasy, but what I'd like to have seen. Ideally the game would compare the actual hull damage % (assuming it has that someplace) to the crew quality in some way, and randomly let you know about damage in some catagories. Say the hull is 20% damaged, if you have a good crew, there might be a X% chance each watch that they will report a problem with the hull. Then you'd get a report that in the last few minutes they've discovered some problems with the hull. The better the crew, the more likely they catch it, and the more accurate their report is. The reports would still need to be the sort of stuff you might actually hear. "It's probably OK to continue" level, "we can continue the patrol, but we need to be careful," and "we should probably head home for repairs." tater

08-01-07, 07:37 PM	#12
switch.dota Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 492 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually I just noticed something: you ARE told about the integrity of the sub's hull! In SH IV. Stock 1.3 patch. How? Take some damage and repair it, the same way you always do. Now look at the crew management screen. You'll see the repair team's name in red (used to be golden) text. Hover over that for a few seconds and a popup window will tell you something like "Damage Control Team / Damaged x/100 / Time to repair 0 seconds". This is after all repairs are finished. I might be wrong but I'm guessing that x/100 is the amount of overall damage you have.

08-01-07, 08:23 PM	#14
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	^^^ yeah, IF they catch the problem (which should be a "die roll" based on crew skill and the severity of the damage).