[TEC] Taihosan Maru and AMMO don't mix - Page 2

tater · 07-13-07, 08:14 AM

I have no idea, actually. I noticed the image that was inline last night doesn't work. Grrr.

Damn mediafire.

kikn79 · 07-13-07, 09:24 AM

Would it be possible to remove this ship altogether? We would still have the other small merchie so it's not like there would be no small merchants at all..

Chuck

tater · 07-13-07, 09:39 AM

Removing the ship is easy, delete the file in the roster. I'd go that hard route I suggested above first myself since this is actually one of the most typical looking ships in the game and I'd hate to lose it. SH4 really lacks the small shipping the japanese depended on, particularly after 1942. the last thing I'd do would be to delete this one.

As I said, I'm pretty confident it's related to the way the model breaks under the forward hold. Modders can make whole ships from scratch, so it's gotta be possible to fix. That or just remove the forward "break" in the model altogether. The kind of damage that results in that sends her quickly to the bottom anyway.

I might install a "super torpedo" mod and see if that CTDs her. My feeling is that the extra cargo provides the boom needed to split the ship forward, and it CTDs when it splits.

tater

tater · 07-13-07, 12:42 PM

I tried again, and it doesn't seem to happen with default cargo. Odd, since I now have reports of it happening in the stock game---and there is nothing bu default cargo in the stock game.

tater

aanker · 07-13-07, 01:06 PM

If this helps, as I turned the scope back toward him there was the brightest orange/red glow I have seen and then the CTD. If you ever find a solution thanks! In the meantime I will avoid them. lol

Mush Martin · 07-13-07, 01:20 PM

Do any other ships break along the longtidudinal axis ?

(Im uninstalled for sh4 ATM)

tater · 07-13-07, 01:23 PM

Actually, she breaks properly. The long pieces you see are the INSIDE, but full width.

The bow part has a complete internal (inside decks, etc) stern, and the stern has a complete internal bow.

EXTERNAL_BOW____internal__stern

internal__bow____EXTERNAL_STERN

tater

tater · 07-13-07, 03:10 PM

Tried changing the critical chance for the keel in the new small merchant to 0.0 in zones.cfg. Didn't work.

tater · 07-13-07, 03:13 PM

Anyone have a zones.cfg from 1.2? Wonder what they changed...

aanker · 07-13-07, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Anyone have a zones.cfg from 1.2? Wonder what they changed...

Yes, I backed up Data 1.2 to my D: drive and have Zones.cfg. Do you want it?

Art

tater · 07-13-07, 03:55 PM

Dunno. Maybe I can use it, this is way outside my normal modding, lol. Sounds like the model is fubar, but you'd think I would have seen it before.

aanker · 07-13-07, 06:27 PM

Oh well. Anyway Zones.cfg did change. 1.2 was C2B0 and 1.3 is C2B6. For the time being I just won't sink any or if I get ambitious I will delete the model....... LMAO

Jace11 · 07-14-07, 06:00 AM

Just replace the folder with the one from 1.2, plus the power mod, krupps mod etc.. I think it would be specific to the ship model, therefore its the ship folder, a change made when they fixed power bug maybe..

Jace11 · 07-15-07, 03:50 AM

This doesn't fix it...

maybe disabling the splitting effect will fix it

Jace11 · 07-15-07, 06:06 AM

Does someone want to test this fix for me.. The bug is present in 1.2 aswell actually... This seems to fix it in that version, not tried in 1.3.

In the zip are files from 1.0, the dat and zon for the ship.

http://mpgtext.net/subshare/469Taihosan.zip

Seems to work ok in 1.3 too..

Ship still breaks sometimes, but in general, all the upperworks seem less destructable. She will still sink and catch fire etc, just stops the nasty CTD..

Feedback please... any probs...

07-13-07, 09:39 AM	#18
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Removing the ship is easy, delete the file in the roster. I'd go that hard route I suggested above first myself since this is actually one of the most typical looking ships in the game and I'd hate to lose it. SH4 really lacks the small shipping the japanese depended on, particularly after 1942. the last thing I'd do would be to delete this one. As I said, I'm pretty confident it's related to the way the model breaks under the forward hold. Modders can make whole ships from scratch, so it's gotta be possible to fix. That or just remove the forward "break" in the model altogether. The kind of damage that results in that sends her quickly to the bottom anyway. I might install a "super torpedo" mod and see if that CTDs her. My feeling is that the extra cargo provides the boom needed to split the ship forward, and it CTDs when it splits. tater Last edited by tater; 07-13-07 at 12:00 PM.

07-13-07, 01:20 PM	#21
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Do any other ships break along the longtidudinal axis ? (Im uninstalled for sh4 ATM) __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

07-15-07, 06:06 AM	#30
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	Does someone want to test this fix for me.. The bug is present in 1.2 aswell actually... This seems to fix it in that version, not tried in 1.3. In the zip are files from 1.0, the dat and zon for the ship. http://mpgtext.net/subshare/469Taihosan.zip Seems to work ok in 1.3 too.. Ship still breaks sometimes, but in general, all the upperworks seem less destructable. She will still sink and catch fire etc, just stops the nasty CTD.. Feedback please... any probs... Last edited by Jace11; 07-15-07 at 08:54 AM.

07-13-07, 08:14 AM	#16
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I have no idea, actually. I noticed the image that was inline last night doesn't work. Grrr. Damn mediafire.

07-13-07, 09:24 AM	#17
kikn79 Medic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rockford, IL Posts: 166 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Would it be possible to remove this ship altogether? We would still have the other small merchie so it's not like there would be no small merchants at all.. Chuck

07-13-07, 12:42 PM	#19
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I tried again, and it doesn't seem to happen with default cargo. Odd, since I now have reports of it happening in the stock game---and there is nothing bu default cargo in the stock game. tater

07-13-07, 01:06 PM	#20
aanker Pacific Thunder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yellow Sea Posts: 1,896 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 14	If this helps, as I turned the scope back toward him there was the brightest orange/red glow I have seen and then the CTD. If you ever find a solution thanks! In the meantime I will avoid them. lol

07-13-07, 01:23 PM	#22
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Actually, she breaks properly. The long pieces you see are the INSIDE, but full width. The bow part has a complete internal (inside decks, etc) stern, and the stern has a complete internal bow. EXTERNAL_BOW____internal__stern internal__bow____EXTERNAL_STERN tater

07-13-07, 03:10 PM	#23
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Tried changing the critical chance for the keel in the new small merchant to 0.0 in zones.cfg. Didn't work.

07-13-07, 03:13 PM	#24
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Anyone have a zones.cfg from 1.2? Wonder what they changed...

07-13-07, 03:55 PM	#26
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Dunno. Maybe I can use it, this is way outside my normal modding, lol. Sounds like the model is fubar, but you'd think I would have seen it before.

07-13-07, 06:27 PM	#27
aanker Pacific Thunder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yellow Sea Posts: 1,896 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 14	Oh well. Anyway Zones.cfg did change. 1.2 was C2B0 and 1.3 is C2B6. For the time being I just won't sink any or if I get ambitious I will delete the model....... LMAO

07-14-07, 06:00 AM	#28
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	Just replace the folder with the one from 1.2, plus the power mod, krupps mod etc.. I think it would be specific to the ship model, therefore its the ship folder, a change made when they fixed power bug maybe..

07-15-07, 03:50 AM	#29
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	This doesn't fix it... maybe disabling the splitting effect will fix it