Illegal immigrant labor bad or good for an economy? - Page 3

Iceman · 06-16-07, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

I'll share something I posted elsewhere on the subject:

I have met, worked with, had regular customers and experienced daily, (etc.) immigrants from England, Australia, Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Pakistan,Iran, India, China, Japan, Korea, Liberia, Kenya, and on and on.

They all knew the language enough to speak it, and unlike these illegal deadbeats here, they had a ****in' job and made a living like the rest of us. They were quite commendable and happy to be here.

Unlike the hordes of illegal Mexicans who show up in packs of 4 or 5 at all times of the day usually trying to pay the only legal relative of their's spanish channel satellite bill and asking me if they need ID to get a cell phone plan. Not to mention the old ones buying steaks at the grocery store with food stamps paid for by the public.

They are not in the cities, they are hiding out in the small towns. All the real immigrants were in the city when I lived there and I was none the wiser at the time to the increasing problem. The usual legal immigrants who worked for a living were in the city and I admired them for making a new life. Now that I've moved back to the middle of nowhere, I see that at least 40% of the population here is Hispanic and a good portion of those are illegals who have no intent of becoming an American, but getting freebies off the horribly run gov't and continue being Mexican.

It speaks volumes when the immigrants from Brazil, Honduras, Belize, Venezuela.. what have you... get seriously offended if you even imply that they are "Mexicans", though the real deadbeats from those countries have been flooding in quite a bit recently too since they've learned of the free gov't cheese to be easily had in the US at honest citizen's expense.

again that's all good and true and I agree...and the people you mentioned went thru the immigration proceess legally and I too agree this is the way....but we still are left with the issue of the illegals we need to solve....solve the problem..put something into place and go from there...I don't mean to come off wrong I agree shipping every single one back and even not allowing legal entrance is in order for a while as punishment...but I refuse to waste the gas money shipping them back to Nogales when tommorrow they will be right back where they were...it is a waste...it is not solving the problem....and those land mines cost money too.

NefariousKoel · 06-16-07, 12:27 AM

They are supposedly allowed to be picked up and shipped back five times before being charged with anything. Even being charged usually involves a slap on the wrist.

Not to mention the border patrolmen and even National Guardsmen, in the latest headlines, being bribed to smuggle illegals and other contraband across the border.

U-533 · 06-16-07, 07:26 AM

What is a company in business for?... That's right , TO MAKE MONEY!

If the owners cant stuff their pockets with cash... then why bother running a business?

First off most Americans that do not have an education are usually drug addicts or are lazy and want something for nothing....

Most businesses offer a rehabilitation program if you have worked with the company for a year or more... but that doesnt help the ones who are lazy and want something for nothing.
Now the company will pay for these 'Rehab' programs ... but only if you work for another year for them and your records remains spotless and you don't relapse. If you screw up then all cost is placed on you... I don't know of any druggie that can afford that, or would pay even if it could.(that is if your a druggie that works and pays taxes)
SO THAT MEANS THE COMPANY IS OUT SOME MONEY!

Most of these uneducated Americans think that they are owed something ie. money, fancy autos with spinney rims and loud music speakers that vibrate foundations with "BOOMING", lots and lots of "BLING", large rear-ended females that "WHOOPE !! DAER IT IS!!"... ... ... well the list is almost endless...
NOW! ... if they do not get these things they will cause suffering and pain to all that stand in their path... it matters not to them who you are friend ,family , or foe.
When a company hires one of these individuals and it does not get a raise when it believes it should... well it usually feels left out and unwanted so it vandalises company property or pulls a "DRIVE BY SHOOTING" on someone involved with the company.
Either way...
THAT MEANS THE COMPANY IS OUT SOME MONEY!

These uneducated Americans often produce offspring that follow in the same path. Thus keeping a generous supply of DEMOCRAT voters... problem is most of these uneducated Americans don't vote and never will...BUT they damn sure will gripe about how the government will not give'em enough money!

OK ... let me cut to the chase.

Being that no American with an education wants to do manual hard labor...well that only leaves people who will do it because they want a better life than what they have in their own country...and if yooou have ever been to Mexico... I ain't talkin about the fancy resorts.... I'm talkin about where most of the poor populace live... Then you would understand why these people will work for almost nothing...so if a company hires these people
THAT MEANS THE COMPANY MAKES MONEY!

God, help us if we lose this vain of labors!

P.S.
Most Mexicans after 7 to 10 years here in America will get to be just as damned lazy as their American counterparts...So, I propose that after 5 years these Mexicans are sent back to receive a refresher course in what they came here for.

How do I know all this?

I see it almost everyday.

Radtgaeb · 06-16-07, 08:37 AM

If minimum wage was raised a touch higher, and it was enforced a lot more stringently, it would be better for the economy. Reasoning? If JoBlo industries wants to employ some folk, why would they hire immigrants over citizens if they all have to be payed the same?

I come from a town in the midwest where there are little to no jobs left due to a) NAFTA and b) illegals. It's no fun.

U-533 · 06-16-07, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Radtgaeb

If minimum wage was raised a touch higher, and it was enforced a lot more stringently, it would be better for the economy. Reasoning? If JoBlo industries wants to employ some folk, why would they hire immigrants over citizens if they all have to be payed the same?

I come from a town in the midwest where there are little to no jobs left due to a) NAFTA and b) illegals. It's no fun.

Raise the 'Minimum Wage'???

I believe that is the problem.

Every-time 'Minimum Wage' is raised then the price of everything goes up!

Remember a Business is in business to make money!

Minimum Wage goes up the price of bread, gas, food, and you name it.

'Joblo industries' gives a raise to it's hungry poor malnourished workers then it has to raise the price of it's product to cover the cost...

Please ... I hope you don't think for one minute that 'Joblo industries' will stop eating steak and seafood and living in mansions so you can live a better life... no no no

U-533 · 06-16-07, 09:00 AM

Let me put it this way...

If America stops Immigrant workers, then it will have to rely on the druggies and lazies mentioned earlier...

If that happens then we(USA) will experience a crime wave of unknown proportions, because the ones who don't want to work will be stealing, killing, and raping to get what they feel they deserve.

NefariousKoel · 06-16-07, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by U-533

Let me put it this way...

If America stops Immigrant workers, then it will have to rely on the druggies and lazies mentioned earlier...

If that happens then we(USA) will experience a crime wave of unknown proportions, because the ones who don't want to work will be stealing, killing, and raping to get what they feel they deserve.

Property theft has skyrocketed in the local small towns here in the past few years. Is it just happenstance that the hispanic population has also skyrocketed at near the same rates?

I'm not laying a blanket accusation down, but there seems to be relativity whether it is directly them or not.

........
As a Saturday at work observation, I've had 3 customers in the store today in the first hour. 2 were Hispanics trying to get cell phones and had absolutely no US ID. One even had the nerve to hand me his ID from Guatemala and when I asked him for a state ID of some kind from the US, he freely and unwaveringly told me he didn't have any.

Tchocky · 06-16-07, 01:45 PM

Doesn't mean he's illegally here. I haven't a single US ID, but I've been living here for a year. Legal, too.

U-533 · 06-16-07, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Doesn't mean he's illegally here. I haven't a single US ID, but I've been living here for a year. Legal, too.

Good point!

I really don't give a hoot if the worker is legal or not....

What the real problem will be ...If this labor (legal or otherwise) market is stopped... will be the multiplied billions or even trillions of dollars lost to the world economy if the USA has to start relying on lazy druggies with their ill fitting pants...

There is a cancer in my country and it's just waiting for a chance for Metastasizing...

Iceman · 06-16-07, 11:50 PM

U533...your posts are almost funny...if someone is not educated they are probably a drug addict?...dude lay off the pipe....

"First off most Americans that do not have an education are usually drug addicts or are lazy and want something for nothing...."

lol dats a good one.

You equate an education with success is your first mistake...I read all the time about college grads working at Mickey D's....no shame in min wage jobs...get back to subject....subject is Mexican and or Illegal immig's....not crack heads.

Lagger123987 · 06-17-07, 12:18 AM

I Think Illegal People Should So Work In The Coal Mines Like Pows.

U-533 · 06-17-07, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceman

U533...your posts are almost funny...if someone is not educated they are probably a drug addict?...dude lay off the pipe....

"First off most Americans that do not have an education are usually drug addicts or are lazy and want something for nothing...."

lol dats a good one.

You equate an education with success is your first mistake...I read all the time about college grads working at Mickey D's....no shame in min wage jobs...get back to subject....subject is Mexican and or Illegal immig's....not crack heads.

The key word there is MOST...

I know of plenty of educated people that are druggies also... they are the ones I really have no sympathy for.

But I'm not going to argue the point your trying to push...

I know what I see where I have to work and do business...Your world maybe different...but if you put your head back in the sand, the problem will pass you by.

:rotfl:

06-16-07, 12:27 AM	#32
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	They are supposedly allowed to be picked up and shipped back five times before being charged with anything. Even being charged usually involves a slap on the wrist. Not to mention the border patrolmen and even National Guardsmen, in the latest headlines, being bribed to smuggle illegals and other contraband across the border. __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

06-16-07, 08:37 AM	#34
Radtgaeb Frogman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Muncie, IN Posts: 300 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	If minimum wage was raised a touch higher, and it was enforced a lot more stringently, it would be better for the economy. Reasoning? If JoBlo industries wants to employ some folk, why would they hire immigrants over citizens if they all have to be payed the same? I come from a town in the midwest where there are little to no jobs left due to a) NAFTA and b) illegals. It's no fun. __________________

06-16-07, 01:45 PM	#38
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Doesn't mean he's illegally here. I haven't a single US ID, but I've been living here for a year. Legal, too. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-17-07, 12:18 AM	#41
Lagger123987 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Little Saigon, San Jose, California Posts: 944 Downloads: 323 Uploads: 4	I Think Illegal People Should So Work In The Coal Mines Like Pows. __________________

06-16-07, 07:26 AM	#33
U-533 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: On my Boat Posts: 594 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What is a company in business for?... That's right , TO MAKE MONEY! If the owners cant stuff their pockets with cash... then why bother running a business? First off most Americans that do not have an education are usually drug addicts or are lazy and want something for nothing.... Most businesses offer a rehabilitation program if you have worked with the company for a year or more... but that doesnt help the ones who are lazy and want something for nothing. Now the company will pay for these 'Rehab' programs ... but only if you work for another year for them and your records remains spotless and you don't relapse. If you screw up then all cost is placed on you... I don't know of any druggie that can afford that, or would pay even if it could.(that is if your a druggie that works and pays taxes) SO THAT MEANS THE COMPANY IS OUT SOME MONEY! Most of these uneducated Americans think that they are owed something ie. money, fancy autos with spinney rims and loud music speakers that vibrate foundations with "BOOMING", lots and lots of "BLING", large rear-ended females that "WHOOPE !! DAER IT IS!!"... ... ... well the list is almost endless... NOW! ... if they do not get these things they will cause suffering and pain to all that stand in their path... it matters not to them who you are friend ,family , or foe. When a company hires one of these individuals and it does not get a raise when it believes it should... well it usually feels left out and unwanted so it vandalises company property or pulls a "DRIVE BY SHOOTING" on someone involved with the company. Either way... THAT MEANS THE COMPANY IS OUT SOME MONEY! These uneducated Americans often produce offspring that follow in the same path. Thus keeping a generous supply of DEMOCRAT voters... problem is most of these uneducated Americans don't vote and never will...BUT they damn sure will gripe about how the government will not give'em enough money! OK ... let me cut to the chase. Being that no American with an education wants to do manual hard labor...well that only leaves people who will do it because they want a better life than what they have in their own country...and if yooou have ever been to Mexico... I ain't talkin about the fancy resorts.... I'm talkin about where most of the poor populace live... Then you would understand why these people will work for almost nothing...so if a company hires these people THAT MEANS THE COMPANY MAKES MONEY! God, help us if we lose this vain of labors! P.S. Most Mexicans after 7 to 10 years here in America will get to be just as damned lazy as their American counterparts...So, I propose that after 5 years these Mexicans are sent back to receive a refresher course in what they came here for. How do I know all this? I see it almost everyday.

06-16-07, 09:00 AM	#36
U-533 Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: On my Boat Posts: 594 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Let me put it this way... If America stops Immigrant workers, then it will have to rely on the druggies and lazies mentioned earlier... If that happens then we(USA) will experience a crime wave of unknown proportions, because the ones who don't want to work will be stealing, killing, and raping to get what they feel they deserve.

06-16-07, 11:50 PM	#40
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	U533...your posts are almost funny...if someone is not educated they are probably a drug addict?...dude lay off the pipe.... "First off most Americans that do not have an education are usually drug addicts or are lazy and want something for nothing...." lol dats a good one. You equate an education with success is your first mistake...I read all the time about college grads working at Mickey D's....no shame in min wage jobs...get back to subject....subject is Mexican and or Illegal immig's....not crack heads.