Personal statement !

[JCWolf]

Personal statement






I've joined this forum and community for more the 2 years , and been enjoying
this place since then, I remember my starting as a graphic modder and the moment of happiness
and personal realization when I released the first Mod a Leer tga graphic file, it was a very good
sensation, but I learned something quickly, I could not use the others files to change or retouch
in my own mod making without crediting the guys and in most cases ask the guy that built the
mod the permission to use it, but I guess I was always a responsible dude and also a Honest
one as those are my believes.

The so called Modders that when I arrived add already a huge reputation helped
me somehow to understand that, and I quickly got the message, the first thought I had was really
the one that you have when you pop up in a place and see a all group of guys that make
all kind of mods and talk in tech. Terms about changing files like it was so easy as drinking
a beer, and you feel small near by those guys, and most of the time you ask yourself, what the
hell am I doing here, could I really get to the place and status this guys have and learn what they
know...I found that most things are a matter of aptitude, some are good in a mod field and others
in other mod fields, but generally they all come with those little or big modded files that for free
change our way of playing SH without spending a single Cent but the Modem and net account in
our place....I know that is for some hard to understand the word Ethic, but if I change this word for
Honesty, or another like Integrity or maybe Honor, would it be more understandable?!!

Some how During 2 years modding for all of you without asking anything in exchange
I thought that I would never would see a thing or some people being allowed to drag
the name of some valuable and old members of this forum threw the Floor and
above all see that a one time healthy community being slowly devastated on
things that had brought this forum the undoubted
quality that haves now, were is the protection of the guys and work that helped
this forum and Sub Sim in general get to the hight level ground were is right now??!!!
Should then we change now the words Honesty and Ethics for ,Anarchy or
Land of Opportunity and just let the “Wounder Kids” start “Modding” what ever they like using what
ever they want,. I always trusted on my feelings, And I will until I die, cause they showed up to me what road I should take on my life course...

I like Sub Sim but I can't believe what I'm seeing happening here, and ons more I called upon those same instincts and my hart that helped me following the road that my final judgment
dictated... I took the decision, and along you the ones that feel the same I trust that this words will make you think and reach to a conclusion that will suit you better...
What can one do, when confronting a community and its owners total Apathy and I
think lack of protection on the Original Modders that helped the Forum grow in the first place ?!
What is a good final and reasonable agreement so that the one Who fully creates a
Mod see is work at least respected in its Integrity and structure..
What can The Owners do to stop the Mod pillage without hurting the new incoming
future creators...???

What is Honesty?


I believe I know the replies for those questions, but it seems to me that some of us don't!

I can't be in a place that brings and lets drag people like Kpt. Lehmman in the Mud
and watch people now get offensive with GWX team. I feel sad today, and coming here right
now is not just the same as it was some time ago...
If this is what you want, a free style play ground, OK, thats what you get, everybody is
allowed to between the lines insult who ever he wants...
I for example add my part and see no future in a place that allows this kind of remarks to
guys that gave their blood and personal sacrifice to bring this place some new level, I respect
a lot Neal and his stuff, who ever they are, don't know nobody personally but spended among
you guys a lot of time,...

I decided to retire from my sub sim activity's and thats why I'm sad, and also cause I am
very close to the GWX team and Kl, and don't understand why you do not defend the man and protect GW's work a better way...

Threads are opened and created to clarify some stuff, and closed , and reopened , and
closed, and nobody really wants to get wet and jump into the Conning Tower and say or have
the B.... to say ...Hey KL is right!

I also know that some here will twist the wrong way my words just to get what they want,
but really my friends....

...I don't give a damn, so go ahead and twist my words the way you like!

This is my Statement , and defensive action of support for Kpt Lehmman and GWX team.




JCWolf...

[Sailor Steve]

I don't know what to say. I'm confused, I don't know exactly which threads you're refering to; I have my suspicions, but I understand why you didn't want to be more specific.

I personally support everybody who puts out that much heart, soul and work into making these games better. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "dragging people through the mud". I don't normally defend or condemn too quickly because I'm not involved in the modding, and I don't know exactly what opinion to express when people start arguing about theft and other similar accusations.

I appreciate the work you yourself have done, and will try to understand what you're feeling. Other than that, I don't know what I can do. I'm not a modder, or an owner, or anything other than a guy who likes it here.

[bigboywooly]

I have come to realise JCW is a very passionate man

And as such likes to speak his mind

Salute JCW
Nice to see you are still hard at work modding mate

[Alex]

I'm really sad to know that you're thinking of leaving us now, mate, I truely hope you're going to reconsider your decision...

IMHO, I think that SS is right : most of us on here are just people who like the work done by the GWX team (that a large majority of us SH3 players respect for their awesome, fantastic, brilliant and hard work)... But personally, even if I think that KL is right, who am I to express my opinion, and to judge the situation better than you team members ?
I can't even imagine the amount of work you all team members putted into GWX, so what can I do/say ? :hmm:

Please tell me, cause I would be pleased to support you... Same for all GWX fans, I think.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

JCWolf,

Sometimes, it is tough to stay and deal with all of the crap that can happen.

However, I hope you will change your mind about leaving. This place needs honorable people like you... even if it means standing on an island surrounded by sharks.

I know there is a limit to patience in everyone my friend. I still hold hope though, that some good things will happen... and some rules will put in place to clarify boundaries. The story isn't over yet.

Even in the darkest of days you will at least have the pleasure of knowing who your friends are.

[Dowly]

JC! Dont you dare to leave! If you leave, I will get myself keelhauled! Now, you wouldnt want that.... right? :rotfl:

Dont let them bring you down, mate. You've done so much for SHIII and will do in the future. Like Kpt said, please think it over one more time before leaving.

[JCWolf]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

JCWolf,

Sometimes, it is tough to stay and deal with all of the crap that can happen.

However, I hope you will change your mind about leaving. This place needs honorable people like you... even if it means standing on an island surrounded by sharks.

I know there is a limit to patience in everyone my friend. I still hold hope though, that some good things will happen... and some rules will put in place to clarify boundaries. The story isn't over yet.

Even in the darkest of days you will at least have the pleasure of knowing who your friends are.

I think it can happend mate, rules or guide lines can be traced as long
as the people who really can make it happend are willing to apply them,
I really never tought I would be saying this about a group of people or a
community that gave me so much good times and helped me meeting
the Grey Wolves for example, but I really don't bellieve in this place the
way its rooling right now, I bellieve that This place could be preserved
as it is, and merging the recrutings of new users and the protection
of the old ones and the work posted here it can continue growing
without loosing the guide lines or rules that started with...

I bellieve in the SS Work group, and most of all in Neals fine work on
this Forum as he achieved the level others only wish and dream, but
I also bellieve that the road this community is taking right now is
not even close to what I think its Ethiclly correct...
How can we let a "Tomb Raider" style dude just come and go as
he pleases and along on this way in wau out kust allow him to
get the goodies he wants for is personal litlle file experiments,
and later release it as is own, and yet allow this fellow to come
here and insult one or more of the guys that helped this place to
grow as it is...

I have a good feeling that in time yea things will get to the track
and back to the road it was before, but during the "Anarchy"
periode some great Modders will desapear on that road, and some
others just get tierd and quit...

Is this what SS whants to have a ghost town...

I will always bellieve in this>

All For One And One For All

[Dowly]

Well I have to give you that the SubSim has been going downhill ever since the SHIV was released and the new people started to pour in. Dont get me wrong here, I do play SHIV. Heck, I've played it more than SHIII lately, so I'm not saying this b/c I'd hate SHIV or something like that. But when that much people join the forums as did when SHIV came out, there were enough of them for some to be rotten eggs. SubSim differs from other forums with it's closeness, everyone pulls the same rope most of the time. While things tend to get a bit heated at times, it's nothing like in the other forums I've been on. And maybe that's the problem, some of the new guys dont have the manners and respect what makes SubSim so great forum.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

JCWOLF!!!

STAND UP STRAIGHT AND LISTEN FOR A MOMENT.

On your signature it says, "ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE!"

I think you wear that sig because you understand something about some of the people... and friends... you have met here... will never understand because they cannot see past their own noses... and their own interests of the moment.

I think you wear that sig because you have experienced a spirit of "crew" that cannot be built. It either happens... or it does not happen.

Understanding that spirit of "crew" means that some days your brother helps you stand up... and some days you help him stand up.

Let them hurl their insults and scorn. Let them come. Let them do their worst. Things will change for the better because we will make them change.

There are good men on the bridge waiting for you. NOW YOU GET THE HELL UP THAT LADDER AND RESUME YOUR WATCH STATION, MATE!!! You are a Grey Wolf... and Grey Wolves don't quit!!! ALLES KLAR???

JCWolf, you've offered me encouragement in times of real-life distress... and I'm not about to let you slip off of the boat. I appreciate the support you are voicing for me here... but you'd hate yourself in the morning if you left your mates to fight the good battle alone yes?

Its okay to have a bad day... Its not okay to quit. Its only depth charges. I'm not about to let them even spill the coffee.

[Reece]

Don't let things get to you Mr Wolf (like this name), just do your best & don't take things personally, I try to ignore offensive behavior, and people aren't blind, they can see who the nasties are, and the're really only hurting themselves!
That said, what brought this on? I have SHIV, but haven't been following things there as I can't run it on my system until I upgrade, was something nasty said there?
Well what ever, don't let the nasties get to you, and above all don't quit, carry on regardless!!
Cheers.

[GT182]

Tho I'm not a modder I can understand the concerns of JC, Kapt. L, Dowly and all the others that have brought us all the great mods and the GWX Expansion for SHIII. I've been away for a funeral and come back to see all this crap going on. Hmmm, is this Seawolves all over again as that's just what's happening. To those that have caused this, have some descency and respect for what others before you have done and give the proper credit where it's due. But above all ask permission first. You didn't spend the long hours putting in hard work, trial and error, nor your own personal feeling and touches to the mods you take and tear apart. Be careful messing with GWX as it will bite you in the a**, and all your work will be for nothing. It's that intricate and technical. Changing just one small thing can ruin many others, and the whole expansion mod it's self will be worthless when you finish mucking with it.

If JC leaves SS, I suppose many other modders will too eventually. I feel the death blow for GWX patches will be a certainty now, but hope that's not the case. I agree SS has gone downhill since SH4 came out and the caliber of a few new members too. I'm in shock at what's happening and I wouldn't expect it from members of this site. You know who you are, so be honest human beings, and quit the crap.

I suspect this thread will be closed just like the others that have legitimate gripes from honest people. Too close them only keeps the flames burning..... longer and hotter than ever. The fire will keep popping up and will spread like a wildfire. If all this isn't settled soon it will ruin things permanently for all and SS will become what the Ubi forums are now.... chaos. And I don't think Neal would take too kindly to that. He's put too much of his time, money and reputation into it to let that happen. If it weren't for him we'd have no place to do the things done for SHII and IV. So out of respect for him I ask that this be resolved by both sides in an agreeable friendly manner.

JC, stay around...we all need you and what you bring to SHIII and GWX.

At least my mom's funeral went better than what's going on here.

[Umfuld]

Originally Posted by GT182

I suspect this thread will be closed just like the others that have legitimate gripes from honest people.

Regardless of who or what, when or where, I'm glad threads are closed when they degrade into name calling.

The only time you notice the moderators here is when posts become unfriendly. And all they do is close the thread and say to take it up in private.

I for one am glad they do this.



This whole matter seems like a lot of unnecessary drama to me. I guess it's not about being part of a larger whole and making the game more enjoyable but rather about getting credit and control.
You're modding a game you don't own the rights to and posting the files on a message board viewable by anyone in the world with an internet connection.
No matter what you do after that you'll find you have little control over those files.

I really don't understand why you would want to prevent someone from doing further work on your mods. Whether you like the person or not. Whether you like what they do or not.


No offense friends, but if ego is the only motivating factor behind the work you do you can keep it to yourselves.

I'm off to learn how to mod Age of Empires II.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by Umfuld

...but if ego is the only motivating factor behind the work you do you can keep it to yourselves.

I think there are lots of people who would like to think of it as being that simple... when really all that is expected is common courtesy.

Ask before you take... and recognize the creator(s).

Some may like to attach a nefarious "agenda" to discussions like these... but I will point out that SH3 was full of problems before modders went to work on it... without an SDK.

It isn't too much to ask... to leave that evidence in print with an attached readme.

Drama? No I think not... I do think the only ones screaming "foul" the loudest may have the most to hide.

If you can mod... you can take the time for the courtesy of asking permission to modify another's work if you intend to change and re-distribute it.

[Reece]

Even though we don't always see eye to eye Kap I do agree 100% with what you say.

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Umfuld

Regardless of who or what, when or where, I'm glad threads are closed when they degrade into name calling.

The only time you notice the moderators here is when posts become unfriendly. And all they do is close the thread and say to take it up in private.

I for one am glad they do this.



This whole matter seems like a lot of unnecessary drama to me. I guess it's not about being part of a larger whole and making the game more enjoyable but rather about getting credit and control.
You're modding a game you don't own the rights to and posting the files on a message board viewable by anyone in the world with an internet connection.
No matter what you do after that you'll find you have little control over those files.

I really don't understand why you would want to prevent someone from doing further work on your mods. Whether you like the person or not. Whether you like what they do or not.


No offense friends, but if ego is the only motivating factor behind the work you do you can keep it to yourselves.

Amen. Also, everyone knows who did GWX. There was a lot of praise going on in the forums for a long time - and still is - and those who don't know can only be people who don't read the forums - and those won't read the proposed modding "ethic" rules either and don't even care who did what.
Really, guys: If someone takes GWX 1.03, adds a new ship, re-releases it as GWX 2.0 and expects to get credit for that will only be laughed at by this community.

If someone uses something from GWX without crediting you, you can point this out in the forum if this bothers you and people will know. Those who are bothered by that, too, or care about ethics will then treat him accordingly, and those who don't, well, they don't. Frankly, you can't take an already copyrighted SHIII, make a big mod downloadable for it and then start telling people what they may or may not do with the game they bought. No one can, and demanding from the moderators here to modify their ban/suspend rules according to a ruleset proposed in one thread by one person (or team), and if they don't you act like you didn't get your candy only makes things look silly.
People know who did GWX, you left a big mark in subsim modding history with it and got praise for it. You expect to get anything more, you need to strike a deal with Ubisoft, make your mod copyrighted material and sell it.