New French president

[Yahoshua]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Not the rioting by the left. Thank you very much. Socialist are showing their true colors when they resort to violence when they don't get their way at the polls.

Some are saying that the US has lead in the French and previously the German elections. Bear in mind that conservatives in both these countries are not conservative by US standards. They are merely less socialist.

The results may also fortell the US election where socialist's ideals are seen for the fraud, politically, economically and socially, they are.

I know about the differences in term and concept between Euro left and US left (although the political lines are still fuzzy, course the lack of sleep doesn't help much.....in fact I need to shut off and crash now....g'night).

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Not the rioting by the left. Thank you very much. Socialist are showing their true colors when they resort to violence when they don't get their way at the polls.

Some are saying that the US has lead in the French and previously the German elections. Bear in mind that conservatives in both these countries are not conservative by US standards. They are merely less socialist.

The results may also fortell the US election where socialist's ideals are seen for the fraud, politically, economically and socially, they are.

Think Yah meant Voter Turnout. France is up at 84% whereas the US stands around 58-60%.
The more voters the better. That is, for the country. Political parties often dislike more voters.

[nikimcbee]

now we need to defeat our socialist:

[nikimcbee]

Sorry, I didn't mean to traumatize everybody.

[Yahoshua]

Sry if I wasn't clear, but I did mean voter turnout in elections, not rioters (that's NOT something I want to see happen anywhere!!).

[Heibges]

I heard on the news, and thought it was very funny, that if you are a politician in France, and you DON'T have a mistress, it's considered a sign of weakness.

I'm moving to France.

[AntEater]

Wow, so much in one thread:
- usual "frog" cliches
- violent 1940s style anticommunism
- Murdoch style pathological british EU hatred

What does all of this have to do with the french elections?

From my point of view, Sarko was elected because of his tough stance on immigrants. Like most germans, most french dislike the prospect of Eurabia and Sarko seems to be doing something about it.
Keep in mind most of the rioters were moroccan/algerian "french", not bloody revolutionary french bolsheviks trying to undermine american values and surrender to the germans while subjugating britain via the EU:rotfl:

(btw, why do I seem to get a new avatar every day?)

[Sea Demon]

I was just happy to see that the socialists lost. I was also disgusted that there were riots though. Apparently socialists have problems with people who don't agree with them.

There is hope for France after all.

[Skybird]

Also worth to remember that with Sarkozy's talking so far, there will be no Turkey membership in the EU. While the Turkish Islamists of Erdogan's AKP have called for early elections, but now try to change the constitution before the election in summer (so that the majority they often have amongst the voters in the rural population can be used to enforce a new Islamist president), France will need to hold a referendum amongst it's people for Turkey membership, and currently it is quite clear that such a referendum will never pass. Ask he German population, and I'm sure it also would not pass. That's why we do not get asked. Same like with the EU constitution.

And look at the obvious conflict in turkey between secularists, and islamists grabbing for power, and you can assume that more and more people in Europe do not wish to have the non-european Muslim state of Turkey Turkey in the European, non-Islamic Union.

Next, our anglosaxon friends will not like to hear it, but as Peter Scholl-Latour reminded people yesterday on NTV, it was France initiating major initiatives and impulses for european projects such as Airbus, Ariane, Galileo, the EU treaties, and many more. the major impulses have come from France, not Germany. Often in close cooperation with Germany, and with massive German support, but the initiave all to often came from France. I expect to see France claiming more influence again in Europe, and not being shy to confront the EU institutions as well. France probably will give the Eu and Germany's Merkel a hell of a time over the EU constitution (of which Giscard d'Estaing as well as Helmut Schmidt himself said that it needs to be cut down to just a very small number of pages instead of that idiotic monster it is right now). I must say I welcome France's assumed strengthening role for Europe, to try to keep Brussel as well as the Anglosaxon influence - represented by Britain trying to include Turkey and others and to prevent a more powerful core-union of only a few European central powers - in check.

Sarkozy also indicated that he wants to tackle the monster of the 27 EU members, that by their sheer numbers now are unable to act, which may base on thoughts same as mine: I would like to see a european core-union of only some major european nations, niot more than five or six, and the rest being more or less only a trade union and a commom economy ground. Not wanting to hurt any national sentiments here, but you can very well have a much stronger Europe without many of the nations that are today full members: Italy, Spain, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Czech Republic. the absence of any of these will not be an insurmountable obstacle for building a stronger europe with more degrees of freedom to act in foreign politics. On the other hand, you can't have a strong Europe without the only two really inevitable nations being economically strong and sitting in the geographical centre of the old continent: France, and Germany. These two are doomed to be heart and core of anything called "Europe's Union." but instead we have 27 cooks all stirring the same porridge, and all of them want to be seen of as equal reputation and importance. That is simply too many. Result: either foul compromises over and over again, or lack of a quorum.

Too many cooks spoil the brothe.

What Sarkozy will do concerning relations to the Middle East, remains to be seen. France' antipathy against american dominance probably will neutralize any symptahy for acchieving a stronger and tougher stance against Islamic countries, so maybe not much will change concerning the friendly noise between future Eurabia and the Islamic world. Which is a shame - but maybe you can't have it all from just one man.

But not moving too fast here. Maybe we/I expect too much of Sarkozy anyway. that he is more fleixible than Chirac and maybe even more confronting than him, maybe is an asset concerning some european themes. But it will have a price, especially for Germany. I expect to see him pushing hard for France dominating the mutual relations between Germany and France more than before, and I also expect to see mounting economical conflicts, like we already see in the struggle for power inside of Airbus and EADS. As was mentioned yesterday on TV, his first foreign visit will not be Brussel, and certainly not London or Washingto, but - Berlin.

Birds of a feather?

[Ishmael]

One could say the same about these guys. Birds of a feather?

[AntEater]

You're insulting....
...Himmler?
:rotfl:

[Ishmael]

Originally Posted by AntEater

You're insulting....
...Himmler?
:rotfl:

We are all the lesser sons of greater fathers. One need look no further than the White House for illustration of that maxim.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

One could say the same about these guys. Birds of a feather?

This is just.........stupid. Totally stupid. But whatever. I think the Bush=Hitler stuff isn't going to end until he's out of office. Even as idiotic as the claim is, it will persist until January, 2009. It's just funny now Rove=Himmler?!?!?! :rotfl:

[Ishmael]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

This is just.........stupid. Totally stupid. But whatever. I think the Bush=Hitler stuff isn't going to end until he's out of office. Even as idiotic as the claim is, it will persist until January, 2009. It's just funny now Rove=Himmler?!?!?! :rotfl:

Look at the US Attorney scandal & Rove's plan to use the US Attorneys to suppress democratic & minority voters for the 2006 & 2008 elections using bogus & trumped-up voter fraud investigations. The 8 US attorneys were fired because they refused to pursue those allegations due to lack of evidence. Of course, the fact that they Were investigating Republican party corruption didn't help them either. Apparently rove & his minions are afraid of having a truly fair election free of chicanery because they'll lose their anal orifices. What I see The Republicans have done is put party ahead of country time after time after time. This is nothing but the wholesale politicization of government to serve one party's aims & goals. So, yes, the comparison is apt.