How do you Point and Shoot?

bsalyers · 04-30-07, 01:34 PM

In SH3, I loved to get extremely close and just "point and shoot" my torps like firing a rifle. That method was very successful for me. How can I do that in SH4? There is a reference to it in the manual, but it's clearly just a carry-over from SH3,since it refers to clicking the "X" on the notepad

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Thanks in advance.

zylark · 04-30-07, 01:44 PM

I'm not exactly following. Sinking targets is exactly the same as in SH3. As long as you let the computer take care of the math, it's just point and click, and your fishes should under normal circumstances find their way to some gratification.

Ofcourse some do blow a bit too premature. Some go "CLUNK!", and some more circle around and if you are a bit too static, hit you in the ass.

joea · 04-30-07, 01:44 PM

Again auto-aiming in the realism manual, one point in SHIV the periscope is not linked to the TDC so if you use manual you gotta send all data to the TDC. BTW in the reals US subs the periscope was not linked to the TDC, unlike in the German u-boats.

starbird · 04-30-07, 01:49 PM

Just sending speed won't send the bearing. You need to use the sadimeter to send the bearing info (as I understand it, its what I've been doing anyhow).

So if your target is stationary, and you set speed to 0, aob to anything, and set the range to anything using the stadimeter, you can point to your target and hit the 'send range to tdc' button, and your torps should go where you want them to.

mookiemookie · 04-30-07, 01:51 PM

I think if you leave the periscope view "unlocked" your torpedoes will go whereever you're pointing. I could be wrong on this.

heartc · 04-30-07, 01:52 PM

Well, the manual says when you hit "X" on the notepad (upper right hand dial system), the TDC system and all data will be reset, and target speed set to zero, which will result in the gyro angles being connected to the scope bearing, transforming it into a "point and shoot" device. You might want to check the Position Keeper to be inactive for this to work, though. I'm not sure about this whole thing as I never tried it yet. But according to the manual, this is the way it should work.

SteamWake · 04-30-07, 01:55 PM

I belive the OP is asking about a "snap shot" wherein you use best guess estimates.

Just set the range to some reasonable number, spread angle to zero, speed to high, open the torpedo door have the periscope at zero and take your best guess at lead and fire the torp and hope for the best.

Be advised though you had better be a little ways out otherwise the torp wont arm and will just doink off the target.

Personally I prefer to let the TDC do its thing its a lot more accurate than I am.

heartc · 04-30-07, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zylark

I'm not exactly following. Sinking targets is exactly the same as in SH3. As long as you let the computer take care of the math, it's just point and click, and your fishes should under normal circumstances find their way to some gratification.

No it is not, not at all. The US TDC was an automatic update device, an analog Target Data Computer, which would automaticly update the target position and gyro angle solution in real time, and regardless how you threw your sub around after you entered the target data (so, gyro angles were taking your own sub position into account) while the German system was just an *Angle Solver* for ONE POINT IN TIME.

This is accurately simulated in SHIV.

Quillan · 04-30-07, 02:01 PM

Make sure the TDC is set to off (grey button, not red). You'll have to input speed, range, and AOB yourself, but it will take the bearing from the periscope or TDT. If you have the TDC on, it'll fire at it's updated solution based on the last data you sent it, not the current data.

heartc · 04-30-07, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Just set the range to some reasonable number, spread angle to zero, speed to high, open the torpedo door have the periscope at zero and take your best guess at lead and fire the torp and hope for the best.

Yeah, this works if you want to aim with your "sub nose". If he wants to aim with the scope, though, my advise is accurate. I hope it works as described in the manual, then it really wont be a problem. If it doesn't, he just needs to set the speed to zero. And he should only have to take target bearing, which is not possible to send seperately w/o a range transmission, so he needs to hit the "send" button when on the "range page" of the upper right hand dial. Any range in fact, cause it doesn't matter at all for a snapshot with target speed zero.

heartc · 04-30-07, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quillan

Make sure the TDC is set to off (grey button, not red). You'll have to input speed, range, and AOB yourself, but it will take the bearing from the periscope or TDT. If you have the TDC on, it'll fire at it's updated solution based on the last data you sent it, not the current data.

NO NO NO, please. He is talking about a "point an shoot" feature, i.e. pointing the scope at a point where he also wants the torps to go, not about a fire solution. He wants to aim with the scope as with a gunsight on a rifle, not taking any target data into account. Also called a "Snapshot" in sub terms.
*IF* what is described in the manual doesn't work, all he has to do is this:

- Set Target Speed to zero.

- Open torpedo doors.

- Point the scope to the bearing you want the gyro angle to be at.

- *Send range* to the TDC. *Any* range. 20000 yards or 10, doesn't matter. Just hit the "send" button.

- Shoot.

It doesn't matter what range it is when target speed is zero. You do this *not* because range would matter at all, but because you want to send the *bearing* your scope is looking at to the TDC (regardless if on or off), and as it is in the game, this bearing will only be transmitted via range transmission.

So, you have to "send range" to send the bearing. Everything else is totally irrelevant for a "point and shoot" shot. There is no AOB, and there is no Speed. And there wouldn't be range if the game allowed you to send bearing seperately without sending range data. All that matters for a snapshot is bearing.

heartc · 04-30-07, 02:18 PM

But I'm pretty sure what is described in the manual works as well: Just *delete* all data by hitting the X button on the upper right hand dial. Then the scope should be a point and shoot device and the gyro angles should follow your periscope bearing.

bsalyers · 05-02-07, 02:27 AM

These are great responses; I'll experiment further.

CaptBackasswards · 05-02-07, 05:11 AM

I was playing around with "point in shoot" the other night in manual mode and once I had my scope on the target I used the stadimeter to put in range ONLY and fired. It went where I wanted it to go but I haven't tampered with it anymore. I like to be able to "point and shoot" when I'm in a pinch. Like when a destroyer is real close by and things are getting crazy.

Rick

04-30-07, 01:34 PM	#1
bsalyers Sparky Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 152 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	How do you Point and Shoot? In SH3, I loved to get extremely close and just "point and shoot" my torps like firing a rifle. That method was very successful for me. How can I do that in SH4? There is a reference to it in the manual, but it's clearly just a carry-over from SH3,since it refers to clicking the "X" on the notepad . Thanks in advance. __________________ I had a life back in the Real World... before I discovered SubSims.

04-30-07, 01:51 PM	#5
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I think if you leave the periscope view "unlocked" your torpedoes will go whereever you're pointing. I could be wrong on this. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

04-30-07, 02:01 PM	#9
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Make sure the TDC is set to off (grey button, not red). You'll have to input speed, range, and AOB yourself, but it will take the bearing from the periscope or TDT. If you have the TDC on, it'll fire at it's updated solution based on the last data you sent it, not the current data. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

05-02-07, 02:27 AM	#13
bsalyers Sparky Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 152 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Thanks, all These are great responses; I'll experiment further. __________________ I had a life back in the Real World... before I discovered SubSims.

04-30-07, 01:44 PM	#2
zylark Loader Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 84 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm not exactly following. Sinking targets is exactly the same as in SH3. As long as you let the computer take care of the math, it's just point and click, and your fishes should under normal circumstances find their way to some gratification. Ofcourse some do blow a bit too premature. Some go "CLUNK!", and some more circle around and if you are a bit too static, hit you in the ass.

04-30-07, 01:44 PM	#3
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Again auto-aiming in the realism manual, one point in SHIV the periscope is not linked to the TDC so if you use manual you gotta send all data to the TDC. BTW in the reals US subs the periscope was not linked to the TDC, unlike in the German u-boats.

04-30-07, 01:49 PM	#4
starbird Watch Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 29 Downloads: 49 Uploads: 0	Just sending speed won't send the bearing. You need to use the sadimeter to send the bearing info (as I understand it, its what I've been doing anyhow). So if your target is stationary, and you set speed to 0, aob to anything, and set the range to anything using the stadimeter, you can point to your target and hit the 'send range to tdc' button, and your torps should go where you want them to.

04-30-07, 01:52 PM	#6
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Well, the manual says when you hit "X" on the notepad (upper right hand dial system), the TDC system and all data will be reset, and target speed set to zero, which will result in the gyro angles being connected to the scope bearing, transforming it into a "point and shoot" device. You might want to check the Position Keeper to be inactive for this to work, though. I'm not sure about this whole thing as I never tried it yet. But according to the manual, this is the way it should work.

04-30-07, 01:55 PM	#7
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I belive the OP is asking about a "snap shot" wherein you use best guess estimates. Just set the range to some reasonable number, spread angle to zero, speed to high, open the torpedo door have the periscope at zero and take your best guess at lead and fire the torp and hope for the best. Be advised though you had better be a little ways out otherwise the torp wont arm and will just doink off the target. Personally I prefer to let the TDC do its thing its a lot more accurate than I am.

04-30-07, 02:18 PM	#12
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	But I'm pretty sure what is described in the manual works as well: Just delete all data by hitting the X button on the upper right hand dial. Then the scope should be a point and shoot device and the gyro angles should follow your periscope bearing.

05-02-07, 05:11 AM	#14
CaptBackasswards Seaman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hubert, N.C. Posts: 33 Downloads: 164 Uploads: 0	I was playing around with "point in shoot" the other night in manual mode and once I had my scope on the target I used the stadimeter to put in range ONLY and fired. It went where I wanted it to go but I haven't tampered with it anymore. I like to be able to "point and shoot" when I'm in a pinch. Like when a destroyer is real close by and things are getting crazy. Rick