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jmjohnson36 · 04-29-07, 08:52 PM

I have decided not to convert any thing more into SH4 or make any more mods for this game...I have never claimed anyone works and ALWAYS understood the hard work that people do that make the game so fun and real...so I found way to convert somethings and instead of keeping it to myself I thought I would share the wealth sorta speaking

But when someone...states I didnt give enough "thanks" or makes a fuss that Im taking something they made...(which I always asked) thats just bull.

...and ALL MODS are solely rights of UBISOFT no matter who makes them...the copyrights solely lay with them its their game read the pregame info...and copyright info...

enough said...for you guys who move on and make mods thanks...you guys are doing great...Im just done.

l3th4l · 04-29-07, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jmjohnson36

...and ALL MODS are solely rights of UBISOFT

i'd be careful about making unfounded statements like this

jmjohnson36 · 04-29-07, 09:17 PM

I would read the ULA agreement and contact UBISOFT like I did 2 weeks ago. Regarding crossing over things from SH3 to SH4 and mods in that respect.

04-29-07, 09:21 PM

Well, as far as I remember, you were releasing mods of converted ships without even mentioning the names of the original modders who spent hours and hours making those ships. So in my opinion, you were taking credit for someone else's hard work. I feel the same way sometimes when I spend hours making a tweak file file and then another modder spends maybe 20 minutes changing a few values using the tweak file I created, releases the mod, and then doesn't even bother to mention my name, a thank you ...nothing. Everybody praises that modder, saying 'great work', 'thank you thank you', and big thumbs-up. That is total and utter BS. And you did the same thing.

Monica Lewinsky · 04-29-07, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jmjohnson36

But when someone...states I didnt give enough "thanks" or makes a fuss that Im taking something they made...(which I always asked) thats just bull.

Chill out dude. Anyone modding and taking the time for us needs a Thank You. No need to go into orbit. Come back in a day and have a fresh attitude. I Admire and Respect the folks that give us a "mod" and make things better. You should not have this attitude - I/We love the folks that can mod. Just don't have just a short fuse.

I/We love you man for your efforts.

Chock · 04-29-07, 09:24 PM

Strictly speaking, if you make a mod for the game and it uses no original part of the game (i.e. you create an entirely new engine sound for the sim from scratch or similar) then it is yours, not UBISOFT's.

Sure, people could use it with a UBISOFT product, but that wouldn't mean it belonged to them.

It's a differnet matter it you mod an original file of course. But...

All your base are NOT belong to us.

jmjohnson36 · 04-29-07, 09:28 PM

THATS BS---- I ALWAYS SAID thanks or mentioned to original modder AND ALWAYS Stated these were not my mods...I just changed them over...GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

see this is what Im talking about...BS

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Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Well, as far as I remember, you were releasing mods of converted ships without even mentioning the names of the original modders who spent hours and hours making those ships. So in my opinion, you were taking credit for someone else's hard work. I feel the same way sometimes when I spend hours making a tweak file file and then another modder spends maybe 20 minutes changing a few values using the tweak file I created, releases the mod, and then doesn't even bother to mention my name, a thank you ...nothing. Everybody praises that modder, saying 'great work', 'thank you thank you', and big thumbs-up. That is total and utter BS. And you did the same thing.

clayton · 04-29-07, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jmjohnson36

I have decided not to convert any thing more into SH4 or make any more mods for this game...I have never claimed anyone works and ALWAYS understood the hard work that people do that make the game so fun and real...so I found way to convert somethings and instead of keeping it to myself I thought I would share the wealth sorta speaking

But when someone...states I didnt give enough "thanks" or makes a fuss that Im taking something they made...(which I always asked) thats just bull.

...and ALL MODS are solely rights of UBISOFT no matter who makes them...the copyrights solely lay with them its their game read the pregame info...and copyright info...

enough said...for you guys who move on and make mods thanks...you guys are doing great...Im just done.

Sorry to see you go!

Don't let those guys 'show you the way'!!!

NSDQ

DaMaGe007 · 04-29-07, 09:37 PM

JM, Stand up for yourself and dont let them bully you. Tell them to F off, and release what you want, giving credit as you did. GWX was released free anyway, no one is making money, so they have nothing to bitch about.

04-29-07, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jmjohnson36

THATS BS---- I ALWAYS SAID thanks or mentioned to original modder AND ALWAYS Stated these were not my mods...I just changed them over...GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

see this is what Im talking about...BS

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Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Well, as far as I remember, you were releasing mods of converted ships without even mentioning the names of the original modders who spent hours and hours making those ships. So in my opinion, you were taking credit for someone else's hard work. I feel the same way sometimes when I spend hours making a tweak file file and then another modder spends maybe 20 minutes changing a few values using the tweak file I created, releases the mod, and then doesn't even bother to mention my name, a thank you ...nothing. Everybody praises that modder, saying 'great work', 'thank you thank you', and big thumbs-up. That is total and utter BS. And you did the same thing.

No you didn't always remember to mention the original modder. You seem to have a short memory. Don't you remember your first ship conversion release for SH4? I guess not. You only mentioned the names of the original modders after they complained. You are not being truthful.

jmjohnson36 · 04-29-07, 09:43 PM

Eh again...the readme HAD the credits given,... and I did not relize I had to post it everywhere Arnvart understood this...hes a good guy. AGAIN get your facts straight.

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Originally Posted by nvdrifter

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Originally Posted by jmjohnson36

THATS BS---- I ALWAYS SAID thanks or mentioned to original modder AND ALWAYS Stated these were not my mods...I just changed them over...GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

see this is what Im talking about...BS

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Well, as far as I remember, you were releasing mods of converted ships without even mentioning the names of the original modders who spent hours and hours making those ships. So in my opinion, you were taking credit for someone else's hard work. I feel the same way sometimes when I spend hours making a tweak file file and then another modder spends maybe 20 minutes changing a few values using the tweak file I created, releases the mod, and then doesn't even bother to mention my name, a thank you ...nothing. Everybody praises that modder, saying 'great work', 'thank you thank you', and big thumbs-up. That is total and utter BS. And you did the same thing.

No you didn't always remember to mention the original modder. You seem to have a short memory. Don't you remember your first ship conversion release for SH4? I guess not. You only mentioned the names of the original modders after they complained. You are not being truthful.

akdavis · 04-29-07, 09:48 PM

I don't understand. Did someone threaten to sue you? You are making a legal argument and then saying people shouldn't be offended or pissed off. I'm pretty sure this has more to do with courtesy, manners and community standards more than the law...

04-29-07, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jmjohnson36

Eh again...the readme HAD the credits given,... and I did not relize I had to post it everywhere Arnvart understood this...hes a good guy. AGAIN get your facts straight.

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Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmjohnson36

THATS BS---- I ALWAYS SAID thanks or mentioned to original modder AND ALWAYS Stated these were not my mods...I just changed them over...GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

see this is what Im talking about...BS

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Well, as far as I remember, you were releasing mods of converted ships without even mentioning the names of the original modders who spent hours and hours making those ships. So in my opinion, you were taking credit for someone else's hard work. I feel the same way sometimes when I spend hours making a tweak file file and then another modder spends maybe 20 minutes changing a few values using the tweak file I created, releases the mod, and then doesn't even bother to mention my name, a thank you ...nothing. Everybody praises that modder, saying 'great work', 'thank you thank you', and big thumbs-up. That is total and utter BS. And you did the same thing.

No you didn't always remember to mention the original modder. You seem to have a short memory. Don't you remember your first ship conversion release for SH4? I guess not. You only mentioned the names of the original modders after they complained. You are not being truthful.

Releasing a mod of someone else's work and not mentioning their name in the original post IS taking credit for someone else's work. A lot of people don't read the readme files. But you are right, Ubisoft is technically the owner of every mod we release. But just because something is legal doesn't mean it's curteous or right to do it.

clayton · 04-29-07, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmjohnson36

THATS BS---- I ALWAYS SAID thanks or mentioned to original modder AND ALWAYS Stated these were not my mods...I just changed them over...GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

see this is what Im talking about...BS

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvdrifter

Well, as far as I remember, you were releasing mods of converted ships without even mentioning the names of the original modders who spent hours and hours making those ships. So in my opinion, you were taking credit for someone else's hard work. I feel the same way sometimes when I spend hours making a tweak file file and then another modder spends maybe 20 minutes changing a few values using the tweak file I created, releases the mod, and then doesn't even bother to mention my name, a thank you ...nothing. Everybody praises that modder, saying 'great work', 'thank you thank you', and big thumbs-up. That is total and utter BS. And you did the same thing.

No you didn't always remember to mention the original modder. You seem to have a short memory. Don't you remember your first ship conversion release for SH4? I guess not. You only mentioned the names of the original modders after they complained. You are not being truthful.

Who told you to push your push to talk button?

Do not confuse excitment in releasing a modification for the community, with a lack of integrity in taking credit for it. I have no doubt that a Major in the Rangers would do the right thing. What surprises me is that a Ranger would allow such fanboys to get the better of him...

NSDQ

jmjohnson36 · 04-29-07, 09:54 PM

Drifter its not my intent to flash words back and forth...I understand what your implying...and I always stated like I said..."these are not my mods" anyhow..that post is not the issue...

the issue is that GWX person got upset because I changed over some stuff into Sh4 before they could.

Now lets end this back and forth...you GWX guys did an awesome job...I always said that...but to say I cant post something is sorta strange...

I thought of others...instead of keeping stuff to myself...guess that was wrong...

04-29-07, 08:52 PM	#1
jmjohnson36 Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kansas City, KS Posts: 203 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	***PEOPLE please read I have decided not to convert any thing more into SH4 or make any more mods for this game...I have never claimed anyone works and ALWAYS understood the hard work that people do that make the game so fun and real...so I found way to convert somethings and instead of keeping it to myself I thought I would share the wealth sorta speaking But when someone...states I didnt give enough "thanks" or makes a fuss that Im taking something they made...(which I always asked) thats just bull. ...and ALL MODS are solely rights of UBISOFT no matter who makes them...the copyrights solely lay with them its their game read the pregame info...and copyright info... enough said...for you guys who move on and make mods thanks...you guys are doing great...Im just done. __________________ "Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud."~If I was President...Iran would have a nuke...they just wouldnt like the delivery method... <AHREF="http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=120621"_blank">JSGME Quick Reference</A>* Major US ARMY RANGERS 1985-2003

04-29-07, 09:17 PM	#3
jmjohnson36 Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kansas City, KS Posts: 203 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	its true I would read the ULA agreement and contact UBISOFT like I did 2 weeks ago. Regarding crossing over things from SH3 to SH4 and mods in that respect. __________________ "Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud."~If I was President...Iran would have a nuke...they just wouldnt like the delivery method... <AHREF="http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=120621"_blank">JSGME Quick Reference</A> Major US ARMY RANGERS 1985-2003

04-29-07, 09:48 PM	#12
akdavis Samurai Navy Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 597 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't understand. Did someone threaten to sue you? You are making a legal argument and then saying people shouldn't be offended or pissed off. I'm pretty sure this has more to do with courtesy, manners and community standards more than the law... __________________ -AKD

04-29-07, 09:54 PM	#15
jmjohnson36 Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kansas City, KS Posts: 203 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	OK Drifter its not my intent to flash words back and forth...I understand what your implying...and I always stated like I said..."these are not my mods" anyhow..that post is not the issue... the issue is that GWX person got upset because I changed over some stuff into Sh4 before they could. Now lets end this back and forth...you GWX guys did an awesome job...I always said that...but to say I cant post something is sorta strange... I thought of others...instead of keeping stuff to myself...guess that was wrong... __________________ "Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud."~If I was President...Iran would have a nuke...they just wouldnt like the delivery method... <AHREF="http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=120621"_blank">JSGME Quick Reference</A> Major US ARMY RANGERS 1985-2003

04-29-07, 09:21 PM	#4
nvdrifter Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Well, as far as I remember, you were releasing mods of converted ships without even mentioning the names of the original modders who spent hours and hours making those ships. So in my opinion, you were taking credit for someone else's hard work. I feel the same way sometimes when I spend hours making a tweak file file and then another modder spends maybe 20 minutes changing a few values using the tweak file I created, releases the mod, and then doesn't even bother to mention my name, a thank you ...nothing. Everybody praises that modder, saying 'great work', 'thank you thank you', and big thumbs-up. That is total and utter BS. And you did the same thing.

04-29-07, 09:24 PM	#6
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Strictly speaking, if you make a mod for the game and it uses no original part of the game (i.e. you create an entirely new engine sound for the sim from scratch or similar) then it is yours, not UBISOFT's. Sure, people could use it with a UBISOFT product, but that wouldn't mean it belonged to them. It's a differnet matter it you mod an original file of course. But... All your base are NOT belong to us.

04-29-07, 09:37 PM	#9
DaMaGe007 Watch Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 338 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	JM, Stand up for yourself and dont let them bully you. Tell them to F off, and release what you want, giving credit as you did. GWX was released free anyway, no one is making money, so they have nothing to bitch about.