Forced retirement (merged) - Page 11

Subsim Monitor · 04-27-07, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Grunt

Poor Juju, he forgot the standard modus here at subsim.

For a clarification, please look up the term "Apologist", or a brief description below.

Colloquial usage

Today the term "apologist" is colloquially applied in a general manner to include groups and individuals systematically promoting causes, justifying orthodoxies, or denying certain events, even of crimes. Apologists have been characterized as being deceptive, or "whitewashing" their cause, primarily through omission of negative facts (selective perception) and exaggeration of positive ones, techniques of classical rhetoric.

Put simply Juju, had you made a post about how utterly perfect and fantastic SH4 is, the moderators would leave you alone...or perhaps even let you into their little circle.

BUT! In keeping with the above methods, you will now be browbeaten into submission using standard Orwellian tactics.

We hope you enjoyed this public service message, and remember our motto:

PAY YOUR DAMNED MONEY, KEEP YOU FREAKIN TRAP SHUT!

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Well, we've asked you at least a dozen times to stop trolling, you are now retired from the service.

Forced retirement!

Nightmare · 04-27-07, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Im happy to say its easily fixed.

I can't keep up with all the new mods that are coming out on a daily basis. Has this fix been intergrated into your mod yet? If not, which mod or what files do we need to edit? Just want to be prepared when I start my S class career this weekend.

TripleDaddy · 04-27-07, 06:38 PM

So you've said in approximately 2,145 other threads...

perisher · 04-27-07, 07:26 PM

I would like to add one point to this forced retirement thing. Almost all American submarine skippers were professional sailors, rather than wartime reservists. As such, command of a fleet sub was a stepping stone in a career that they all hoped would get them to flag rank. After doing their time in subs they would have wanted to move on.

However this is a game so an option to follow a realistic career pattern, or not, should be offered.

Yes there is a problem with the text of some of the retirement screens, but is it really a big deal?

Now, in the interests of realism, I am off to my simulated (but with real beer) bar of the Royal Hawaiian as I have just returned from patrol.

SteamWake · 04-27-07, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grunt

Poor Juju, he forgot the standard modus here at subsim.

For a clarification, please look up the term "Apologist", or a brief description below.

Colloquial usage

Today the term "apologist" is colloquially applied in a general manner to include groups and individuals systematically promoting causes, justifying orthodoxies, or denying certain events, even of crimes. Apologists have been characterized as being deceptive, or "whitewashing" their cause, primarily through omission of negative facts (selective perception) and exaggeration of positive ones, techniques of classical rhetoric.

Put simply Juju, had you made a post about how utterly perfect and fantastic SH4 is, the moderators would leave you alone...or perhaps even let you into their little circle.

BUT! In keeping with the above methods, you will now be browbeaten into submission using standard Orwellian tactics.

We hope you enjoyed this public service message, and remember our motto:

PAY YOUR DAMNED MONEY, KEEP YOU FREAKIN TRAP SHUT!

Thank you, and have a nice day.

They were simply pointing out to the OP there were many threads already discussing this topic.

There was no attempt to squelch his opinon.

Get the chip off your shoulder already its getting old.

Camaero · 04-27-07, 07:52 PM

Nobody wants to read a million new threads bitching about the same old thing. Nobody cares. All it does is get in the way of interesting reads and people who are actually trying to help. What you are talking about isn't even a bug! It is a realistic feature for crying out loud, in what is supposed to be a sub sim. I know there are many people over in the mod section trying to make it so people have an option, which is a good thing, but enough of the crying.

I don't need to see a thread about how you have decided not to play the game anymore and I would not mind at all if the mods kept control over this boring same old crap.

Of course if you have something useful to add however, post away.

KiwiVenge · 04-27-07, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaero

Nobody wants to read a million new threads bitching about the same old thing. Nobody cares. All it does is get in the way of interesting reads and people who are actually trying to help. What you are talking about isn't even a bug! It is a realistic feature for crying out loud, in what is supposed to be a sub sim. I know there are many people over in the mod section trying to make it so people have an option, which is a good thing, but enough of the crying.

I don't need to see a thread about how you have decided not to play the game anymore and I would not mind at all if the mods kept control over this boring same old crap.

Of course if you have something useful to add however, post away.

If you do not want to read another thread about people not liking the early retirement 'feature' then why oh why would you read a thread called Retirement Rant? I can see if someone is vague with the title and somehow tricked you into opening the thread, but this guy was upfront about what you were about to see. A Rant about Retirement.

Camaero · 04-27-07, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KiwiVenge

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Originally Posted by Camaero

Nobody wants to read a million new threads bitching about the same old thing. Nobody cares. All it does is get in the way of interesting reads and people who are actually trying to help. What you are talking about isn't even a bug! It is a realistic feature for crying out loud, in what is supposed to be a sub sim. I know there are many people over in the mod section trying to make it so people have an option, which is a good thing, but enough of the crying.

I don't need to see a thread about how you have decided not to play the game anymore and I would not mind at all if the mods kept control over this boring same old crap.

Of course if you have something useful to add however, post away.

If you do not want to read another thread about people not liking the early retirement 'feature' then why oh why would you read a thread called Retirement Rant? I can see if someone is vague with the title and somehow tricked you into opening the thread, but this guy was upfront about what you were about to see. A Rant about Retirement.

Well if there were only one or two threads about ranting then I wouldn't care. However, when there are one or two of them a day popping up then it starts to clog up useful posts. How about just sticking to one?

KiwiVenge · 04-27-07, 10:26 PM

It is a valid suggestion, but likely to be ignored. People will still come here and have their say (rightly so) and pick and choose whether they want to find a thread that is related or just make a new one. They way you presented your suggestion was a bit over the top though. Telling anyone they are posting crap simply because they did not post to suit you own personal views on how it should be done could be considered a bit much.

heartc · 04-27-07, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KiwiVenge

It is a valid suggestion, but likely to be ignored. People will still come here and have their say (rightly so) and pick and choose whether they want to find a thread that is related or just make a new one.

I'm not part of the subsim.com team, so it's none of my business where they would decide to draw the line, but you do realize that this is a private website? As it is, they are pretty lax, but out of courtesy, not of some "rights" you percieve any ranters to have here.

KiwiVenge · 04-27-07, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by heartc

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Originally Posted by KiwiVenge

It is a valid suggestion, but likely to be ignored. People will still come here and have their say (rightly so) and pick and choose whether they want to find a thread that is related or just make a new one.

I'm not part of the subsim.com team, so it's none of my business where they would decide to draw the line, but you do realize that this is a private website? As it is, they are pretty lax, but out of courtesy, not of some "rights" you percieve any ranters to have here.

I did not limit what I said to just 'ranters' as you call them, I meant anyone posting about any topic. Not everyone is going to check for related threads before posting their thoughts. I did not mean my 'rightly so' phrasing to be read as some sort of official legal 'right' as you have implied either. I meant more along the lines of 'thats how forums usually work'.

Herr Karl · 04-28-07, 01:25 AM

Personally, I'm happy with the realism aspect. It would be nice to have an option also.
It appears in some cases there is an option, and in some cases there isn't.

It would be kewl if Jason made us another Commander for SH4.

Jason, where are you?

Beery · 04-28-07, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Grunt

Now, the standard fare among the subsim forum apologists is "The average US sub commander did 5 patrols" or some such bunk.

How can it be 'bunk' if it's factual?

Look, if you want to play an arcade game where you get to play as many sub missions you want, that game probably exists somewhere. But this is not that game. This is a WW2 sub simulation and that means limited patrols.

Beery · 04-28-07, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Grunt

As I have tried to explain at length, and the apologists have ignored, even if the career track were based on "realism" its implementation is completely defective, ergo BIG FAT BUG!

Then complain about the BUG, not the feature. As long as you keep complaining about the feature folks like me will be forced to come to its defence.

Herr Kapitan · 04-28-07, 02:06 AM

Whatever peoples feelings about posters who express dissapointment about the performance of SH4 there is no need to be rude and discorteous.

I have no idea whether the OP is a new of existing member but telling him that he is in the wrong before even offering help is most unfortunate to say the least.

How would you feel if you had a real problem and someone said get lost bozo, no one will help you unless you learn to use the search facility.

By the way some individuals need to remove from their heads the idea that anyone who expresses their dissatisfaction with the game is automatically a ranter. In my opinion people who label others ranters are no less biased in their views than others who label supporters of this game fanboys.

04-27-07, 07:26 PM	#154
perisher Frogman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: England Posts: 300 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I would like to add one point to this forced retirement thing. Almost all American submarine skippers were professional sailors, rather than wartime reservists. As such, command of a fleet sub was a stepping stone in a career that they all hoped would get them to flag rank. After doing their time in subs they would have wanted to move on. However this is a game so an option to follow a realistic career pattern, or not, should be offered. Yes there is a problem with the text of some of the retirement screens, but is it really a big deal? Now, in the interests of realism, I am off to my simulated (but with real beer) bar of the Royal Hawaiian as I have just returned from patrol. __________________ "Pitt was the greatest fool who ever lived to encourage a mode of war which they who commanded the seas did not want, and which, if successful, would deprive them of it." Earl St.Vincent (allegedly)

04-27-07, 07:52 PM	#156
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Nobody wants to read a million new threads bitching about the same old thing. Nobody cares. All it does is get in the way of interesting reads and people who are actually trying to help. What you are talking about isn't even a bug! It is a realistic feature for crying out loud, in what is supposed to be a sub sim. I know there are many people over in the mod section trying to make it so people have an option, which is a good thing, but enough of the crying. I don't need to see a thread about how you have decided not to play the game anymore and I would not mind at all if the mods kept control over this boring same old crap. Of course if you have something useful to add however, post away. __________________

04-27-07, 10:26 PM	#159
KiwiVenge Medic Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 168 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	It is a valid suggestion, but likely to be ignored. People will still come here and have their say (rightly so) and pick and choose whether they want to find a thread that is related or just make a new one. They way you presented your suggestion was a bit over the top though. Telling anyone they are posting crap simply because they did not post to suit you own personal views on how it should be done could be considered a bit much. __________________ \"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds.\"

04-28-07, 01:25 AM	#162
Herr Karl Medic Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle,WA/Dutch Harbor,AK Posts: 163 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Personally, I'm happy with the realism aspect. It would be nice to have an option also. It appears in some cases there is an option, and in some cases there isn't. It would be kewl if Jason made us another Commander for SH4. Jason, where are you? __________________ Gato

04-27-07, 06:38 PM	#153
TripleDaddy A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Charlotte Posts: 76 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	So you've said in approximately 2,145 other threads...

04-28-07, 02:06 AM	#165
Herr Kapitan Swabbie Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Whatever peoples feelings about posters who express dissapointment about the performance of SH4 there is no need to be rude and discorteous. I have no idea whether the OP is a new of existing member but telling him that he is in the wrong before even offering help is most unfortunate to say the least. How would you feel if you had a real problem and someone said get lost bozo, no one will help you unless you learn to use the search facility. By the way some individuals need to remove from their heads the idea that anyone who expresses their dissatisfaction with the game is automatically a ranter. In my opinion people who label others ranters are no less biased in their views than others who label supporters of this game fanboys.