Study in China! (if you're bright enough...)

[Skybird]

The British test I would pass, the Chinese one: never!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/6589301.stm

[SUBMAN1]

I would never want to study in China. An example is an engineering degree over there is not equal to ours in the Western world. They get the basics and math, but lack any other sort of education. It is a real problem actually because they don't take degrees seriously and do not give their students a well rounded education to be able to think outside the box.

-S

[tycho102]

The Chinese question requires fundamental geometric laws and basic trigonometry. All the right angles make the problem easy.

The English question is fundamental geometry. That's a problem you'd have to work if you were trying to figure out how much your backyard fencing would cost (or you can just call the guy and pinch off the loaf when he gives you the estimate).


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Persuant to SUBMAN1's post:

"Rote memorization" works outstanding in the military MOS schools. It's something that American universities do very poorly -- teaching the most basic, fundamental law and properties necessary for higher-level problem solving. Gotta start somewhere and doing thousands of simple problems is a damn good place to start. It is an absolute waste of a student's time to ponder over a problem for hours when they are learning the most fundamental equations and concepts necessary for the field of study.

To my understanding, this is how the Chinese are running their schools. Drilling conditional problems (no wind, vertical loads, static attachments, immiscible fluids, constant viscosity, etc)

Learn to drive the boat first -- then learn Great Circle Navigation and sound wave propagation.

[SUBMAN1]

I hear ya on one hand, but on the other, you want someone that can do the job, and I don't think Chinese engineers can do the job because they are mearly technicians in education.

-S

An example by the way:

Quality of graduates

Although his study did not cover the question of the quality of the graduates, Wadhwa cited evidence in his testimony that "all available data indicates that the vast majority of Indian and Chinese graduates are not close to the standards of US graduates". In particular, he says, the Chinese educational focus is on quantity vs. quality. Duke researcher, Ben Rissing says that the number of technical schools in China actually fell from 4098 to 2884 in the 1999-2004 period, and the number of teachers and staff at these institutions fell 24%.

India is fairing a little better, but all is not rosy there either:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=125

[Prof]

I don't really see what the fuss is about, except that the British question is ridiculously easy. I was tought that in school when I was 13. Quite what the university in question hopes to gain from such a 'diagnostic test' I have no idea.

The Chinese question covers stuff I was taught in my first term at university. I would imagine it's similar to what you'd expect from a Step paper, which some universities in the UK require for entry in addition to A-Levels.

The Chinese students I knew at university all worked very hard and a good number of them got very good results. I don't know how useful they'd be as engineers in the real world though.

[bradclark1]

So where are the answers then?:hmm:

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

So where are the answers then?:hmm:

Load "Orbiter Simulation 3.0" and calculate them in the board computer!