British drop Holocaust lessons from history class to avoid offending Muslims.

[Safe-Keeper]

Fantastic. Christian fundamentalists in the United States trying to shut down teaching of evolution, the Earth's age, sex ed and tolerance of homosexuals and 'heathens', and Muslim radicals in Britain censoring the Holocaust and Crusades (let's hope the latter does not give Christian fundies in the States an idea).

As for Muslims not wanting to , nothing new there. Try telling certain Christians that there there are people killing and bombing and raping for Christ. Tell them about the Indian and African terrorist campaigns and inform them Timothy McVeigh was Christian. And just to have something contemporary, tell them the Virginia Tech shooter invoked the name of Jesus. I'll provide the flak jacket and pay your lenghty hospital stay:p.

Look, my point is this: Stop thinking about this as specifically an Islamic problem - all Abrahamic religions are incompatible with education and progress. Was it up Christian fundamentalists, we'd never even have airplanes (see, Daddy God didn't give us wings, so we're not meant to fly). We'd have even more people getting unwanted abortions and STDs (condoms are apparently Satanic).

Oh, and as for Saving Private Ryan: The inclusion of the dark guy does not neccessarily have anything to do with political correctness - anyone watching the whole thing and listing the blatant slaughter of historical accuraccy realizes it's just that they had zero clue as to what they were doing when they made the damned movie.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by joea

Don't know about the USA, but here in Geneva there was a hue and cry raised when the re-enactor "Compagnie 1602" was accused of racism for not hiring minorities for it's re-enaction of the "Escalade" festival in Geneva every November. The Escalade was the last time the Duke of Savoy tried to conquer "the Protestant Rome" by mercenaries scaling the walls with ladders the night of November 12-13 1602. It failed and is a quite fun holiday with a parade, musket shooting, soup and chocolate pots. (Cause one lady dropped a pot of soup on an assailant)

Ahh what was my point...oh yea...the mercs hired by his Highness Duke Charles Emmanuel were mostly Spanish or Italian ... no minorites. Geneva was also rather different. Still they have to hire all minorities...well for the parade of musicians with kids from the high schools who play fife and drum it's ok to reflect the current mix I guess. Still to require that this group not refuse any minority is another example of PC gone overboard. Mind you I have not seen any among the actual re-enactors, all are pale middled aged Swiss men with beer and fondue bellies. :rotfl:

If looks, race etc are not important to the part then standard rules apply. For instance, a short fat person could not complain they were not cast as Abe Lincoln who was tall and skinny. But a short fat person might have legal cause if they were not cast as say Lincoln's butler. This issue came up at Disneyland regarding the casting of an Indiana Jones look-alike, and is generally brought up at most HR training in the US.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Oh, and as for Saving Private Ryan: The inclusion of the dark guy does not neccessarily have anything to do with political correctness - anyone watching the whole thing and listing the blatant slaughter of historical accuraccy realizes it's just that they had zero clue as to what they were doing when they made the damned movie.

I agree. I think Speilberg just wanted to show the American's and particularly The Greatest Generation (of which my father was part in the 43rd Infanty Division 1/172nd Infantry Regiment in the Pacific with Big Mac) as totally good and show the German's as totally bad. What bothered me was that it was made to look "realistic", and some folks might assume it is the truth.

On a side note, one thing that I had never heard of until I moved to California was how 100 million Chinese were murdered by the Japanese. 100 Million people, yet very few folks in America are even aware it happened.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Fantastic. Christian fundamentalists in the United States trying to shut down teaching of evolution, the Earth's age, sex ed and tolerance of homosexuals and 'heathens', and Muslim radicals in Britain censoring the Holocaust and Crusades (let's hope the latter does not give Christian fundies in the States an idea).

Where? I live here and that is no where to be found.

[Subnuts]

Originally Posted by Heibges

On a side note, one thing that I had never heard of until I moved to California was how 100 million Chinese were murdered by the Japanese. 100 Million people, yet very few folks in America are even aware it happened.

Probably because the number is closer 10 million. Not that it makes it any better.

On a side note to my side note, why is it that certain people increase or decrease the number of people killed in an atrocity to make a certain group look better or worse? Like people are going to think the Nazis were saints if they exterminated "only" two million Jews, or honestly believe that communism has killed more people than old age.

[Safe-Keeper]

Where? I live here and that is no where to be found.

What, Christians trying to take over schools? It's everywhere. [url=http://www.fstdt.com[/url]FSTDT does a good job at collecting quotes from them.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

Probably because the number is closer 10 million. Not that it makes it any better.

On a side note to my side note, why is it that certain people increase or decrease the number of people killed in an atrocity to make a certain group look better or worse? Like people are going to think the Nazis were saints if they exterminated "only" two million Jews, or honestly believe that communism has killed more people than old age.

I had never heard of either number until I moved to San Francisco and saw the protests around the Japanese Consulate on Geary Street.

There was famous Holocaust scholar, Raul Hilberg, who calculated that 5 million Jews were killed and he was pilloried for it.

Stalin did brag to Winston Churchill that he starved 10 Million Ukranian Peasants to death.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Heibges

There was famous Holocaust scholar, Raul Hilberg, who calculated that 5 million Jews were killed and he was pilloried for it.

Who "pilloried" him for this?

Stalin did brag to Winston Churchill that he starved 10 Million Ukranian Peasants to death.

Look around and you'll find that Stalin never said such a thing to Churchill. He referred to the number of peasants he had to deal with.

In addition, death estimates of the peasants generally range from 3-4 million, with some historians saying 5.

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

What, Christians trying to take over schools? It's everywhere.

One could just as easily conclude from this article that anti-Christians already have taken control over the schools. Both are incorrect conclusions.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Try telling certain Christians that there there are people killing and bombing and raping for Christ. Tell them about the Indian and African terrorist campaigns and inform them Timothy McVeigh was Christian. And just to have something contemporary, tell them the Virginia Tech shooter invoked the name of Jesus. I'll provide the flak jacket and pay your lenghty hospital stay:p.

Look, my point is this: Stop thinking about this as specifically an Islamic problem - all Abrahamic religions are incompatible with education and progress.

One word: tripe.