[REL] Flavored To Taste 2.3 - Page 2

Ducimus · 04-19-07, 03:06 AM

I'll have a new version up tonight. Major change is ive found a way for people who want to have a career out of pearl harbor, to avoid the international dateline bug. Testing it right now, should be done in 10 mins or so.

TopCat · 04-19-07, 04:51 AM

Cheers Mate, your mod is absolutely brilliant!

Because of your mod I play sh4 again, and be sure, my wife hates you for that :rotfl:

One question concerning radar:
In your readme it says that SD Radar will report ships. I played a career (gato/1943) yesterday with SD and SJ on board and noticed this:

- Ship contacts were only reported when radar was turned on

- Air contacts were never reported. I was attacked by dozens of aircrafts and never ever was one of them detected or reported by radar

, no matter whether radar was switched on or off. So, can you confirm, that SD-Radar really detects aircraft? If yes, what the h... am I doing wrong?

Cheers
TC

Ducimus · 04-19-07, 05:07 AM

Quote:

- Air contacts were never reported. I was attacked by dozens of aircrafts and never ever was one of them detected or reported by radar , no matter whether radar was switched on or off. So, can you confirm, that SD-Radar really detects aircraft? If yes, what the h... am I doing wrong?

At this point this is a big unknown to me. This is the 2nd night in a row since the 2.1 patch that ive been up to 3am, and i really havent gotten a chance to play the game yet beyond testing mod changes. lol. Anyway Ubi said they fixed the radar. All i did to it was fix the one "bug" that people reported. That of only being able to detect from 90 to 270 or whatever it is. But again, ive seen posts frm people saying the radar isnt detecting planes.

This is why i included the sub sensor file in the support directory from the previous version of this mod. That one WILL detect.. umm... everything! Or at least it should assuming that file is 1.2 compatiable. If you find your not detecting planes, try that file if you dont mind surface contacts with SD radar. But.. at least it woudl work.. (hopefully).

Anyway new version is up. People who like to start a game from pearl harbor will like this the most.

you now have two options with pearl harbor. You can start in harbor and have to cross the international dateline and get all buggered, or.... you can start outside the harbor, which ive placed a new starting location for. You'll now appear about 150-200 KM west of the international dateline and midway. You'll still have to cross the dateline when returning to port, but at that point it doesnt matter.

TopCat · 04-19-07, 05:24 AM

Thanks! Great work!
So for the moment I prefer no air contacts at all.
And hope that ubi will soon release a fix...

Jace11 · 04-19-07, 07:23 AM

They did something to SD radar in 1.2

It is in the 1.2 Sensors_subUS.sim, cause the 1.1 version of this file, when used in SH4 1.2, restores SD radars ability to detect planes....

If only we knew what the problem was. Could be a node... but they look like they have altered range, surface etc etc too..

Could it be one of these changes that is causing it to fail? If only elanaiba or someone could tell us what the problem is...

CruiseTorpedo · 04-19-07, 09:33 AM

I've ran a couple of forum searches to see what the dateline bug even is, I can't find an explanation, just people saying they want it fixed. So what's the problem with the IDL? What's it do?

Ducimus · 04-19-07, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CruiseTorpedo

I've ran a couple of forum searches to see what the dateline bug even is, I can't find an explanation, just people saying they want it fixed. So what's the problem with the IDL? What's it do?

Well, whats been proven is that it effects the Attack map. What will happen is that after you leave from pearl and cross the IDL, the torpedo track indicators and torpedo icons (the one where you can see them leaving your boat) disappear, and will stay that way for the rest of the patrol. Kind of annoying.

I also have other suspicions about it as well. For one, i can't recall having one single dud, or one single ciruclar running torpedo when leaving pearl. I got a bunch of them leaving from the asiatic fleet ports, but never when i left from pearl. Maybe i just had a few lucky runs, but i still have my suspicions.

On top of that it felt like the career track for the career game at the time was stuck in a loop. Im not sure if its IDL related or not.

Another thing that i do not think is any coincidence is the location of Hawaii and Midway on them map as they appear in SH3. This is important to note since SH4 is derived from SH3's engine. In SH3, Midway and pearl are on the extreme left of the map (west). The acutal south pacific and japanese area waters are on the extreme right of the map (far east). The point here is while you could cross from one end of the map to another it behaved in a weird way when you did it in relation to waypoints. THe game coudlnt follow them. I read somewhere the devs did something with this border between the two halves of the map, and its this border, that seems to be the location of where the problem feeels like its orginating. If that makes any sense.

U56 · 04-19-07, 12:49 PM

Cuppla notes after using FTT2.1. I reinstalled your included sub-sensors file 1.1 to see if the SD radar would pick up aircraft again. I am using a S-18 out of Brisbane in career mode, with bot SJ and SD radar installed. So far the SJ works fine, but have had three aircraft sitings so far with none detected by radar. (radar was on in all cases). This may be an S18 class issue as much as anything else. Interestingly, none of the aircraft were heading straight for the sub, were at varying angles, despite the weather being good with calm or moderate seas. With the S18's fast diving speed, I was never bombed, though one aircraft appeared to change course for a closer look. Dunno if this is a 1.2 improvement, or your work Ducimus!, but either way keep up the good work as loving your mod

Regards

Meridian · 04-19-07, 12:54 PM

Ducimus:

You may want to take a look at the Sensors_sub_US.sim file, the 1.1 version in the docs folder not the 1.2.

I had a quick look in minitweaker and it looks as though a set of Hydrophone values have been mixed up with some values for an SJ. Can't check on exactly which they were ATM, not on my own PC.

Actually, it's the NSS_Hydrophone 3 & NSS_EarlySJ 5 values that look as though they are swapped.

Jace11 · 04-19-07, 01:16 PM

http://mpgtext.net/subshare/776Sensors_sub_US.sim

here is a radar fix for 1.2

It is 1.2 sensors fom the patch.
+ 90/270 fix for surface radars by Redwine and Letterboy
+ an SD fix (lowered det height)

Works ok..

Onkel Neal · 04-19-07, 01:26 PM

Great job!!

Neal

Meridian · 04-19-07, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace11

http://mpgtext.net/subshare/776Sensors_sub_US.sim

here is a radar fix for 1.2

It is 1.2 sensors fom the patch.
+ 90/270 fix for surface radars by Redwine and Letterboy
+ an SD fix (lowered det height)

Works ok..

Thanks Jace, my eyes are starting to go funny looking through all these files.

Just tried to have a quick look with MiniTweaker and it couldn't find any of the values that were in the old tweak file, are you using a new sensor tweak file?

Ducimus · 04-19-07, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace11

http://mpgtext.net/subshare/776Sensors_sub_US.sim

here is a radar fix for 1.2

It is 1.2 sensors fom the patch.
+ 90/270 fix for surface radars by Redwine and Letterboy
+ an SD fix (lowered det height)

Works ok..

Cool, and thanks. , i'll give it a whirl later and probably include it in the mod with credits cause im really tired of messing with that damn radar. I wish i could just take a hammer to it and yell, "Work damn you!"

TopCat · 04-19-07, 02:22 PM

Jace and Ducimus, you're my heroes. I've got to test it straight away!

TopCat · 04-19-07, 03:23 PM

Hi Jace

I tested your new Radar-file. I made a special test-mission for it where I placed several ships and aircrafts in a range from 10 to 50 km. Unfortunately there are still issues.

The SJ-Radar works fine so far.

The SD-Radar has the 90 to 270 bug, i.e. when travelling south, the planes are not detected.

The SD-Radar detects ships as well (with any course).

04-19-07, 12:54 PM	#24
Meridian Frogman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 292 Downloads: 630 Uploads: 0	Ducimus: You may want to take a look at the Sensors_sub_US.sim file, the 1.1 version in the docs folder not the 1.2. I had a quick look in minitweaker and it looks as though a set of Hydrophone values have been mixed up with some values for an SJ. Can't check on exactly which they were ATM, not on my own PC. Actually, it's the NSS_Hydrophone 3 & NSS_EarlySJ 5 values that look as though they are swapped. __________________ SH3 Album SH4 Album AORUS Z390 Ultra, Intel Core i5 8600K, GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4096mb, 64.0GB Dual-Channel DDR4, Soundblaster Z.

04-19-07, 01:26 PM	#26
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Great job!! Neal __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

04-19-07, 03:06 AM	#16
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I'll have a new version up tonight. Major change is ive found a way for people who want to have a career out of pearl harbor, to avoid the international dateline bug. Testing it right now, should be done in 10 mins or so.

04-19-07, 04:51 AM	#17
TopCat Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 105 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	Cheers Mate, your mod is absolutely brilliant! Because of your mod I play sh4 again, and be sure, my wife hates you for that :rotfl: One question concerning radar: In your readme it says that SD Radar will report ships. I played a career (gato/1943) yesterday with SD and SJ on board and noticed this: - Ship contacts were only reported when radar was turned on - Air contacts were never reported. I was attacked by dozens of aircrafts and never ever was one of them detected or reported by radar , no matter whether radar was switched on or off. So, can you confirm, that SD-Radar really detects aircraft? If yes, what the h... am I doing wrong? Cheers TC

04-19-07, 05:24 AM	#19
TopCat Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 105 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	Thanks! Great work! So for the moment I prefer no air contacts at all. And hope that ubi will soon release a fix...

04-19-07, 07:23 AM	#20
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	They did something to SD radar in 1.2 It is in the 1.2 Sensors_subUS.sim, cause the 1.1 version of this file, when used in SH4 1.2, restores SD radars ability to detect planes.... If only we knew what the problem was. Could be a node... but they look like they have altered range, surface etc etc too.. Could it be one of these changes that is causing it to fail? If only elanaiba or someone could tell us what the problem is...

04-19-07, 09:33 AM	#21
CruiseTorpedo Torpedoman Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 112 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I've ran a couple of forum searches to see what the dateline bug even is, I can't find an explanation, just people saying they want it fixed. So what's the problem with the IDL? What's it do?

04-19-07, 12:49 PM	#23
U56 Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rockall Posts: 109 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Cuppla notes after using FTT2.1. I reinstalled your included sub-sensors file 1.1 to see if the SD radar would pick up aircraft again. I am using a S-18 out of Brisbane in career mode, with bot SJ and SD radar installed. So far the SJ works fine, but have had three aircraft sitings so far with none detected by radar. (radar was on in all cases). This may be an S18 class issue as much as anything else. Interestingly, none of the aircraft were heading straight for the sub, were at varying angles, despite the weather being good with calm or moderate seas. With the S18's fast diving speed, I was never bombed, though one aircraft appeared to change course for a closer look. Dunno if this is a 1.2 improvement, or your work Ducimus!, but either way keep up the good work as loving your mod Regards

04-19-07, 01:16 PM	#25
Jace11 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK Posts: 683 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 1	http://mpgtext.net/subshare/776Sensors_sub_US.sim here is a radar fix for 1.2 It is 1.2 sensors fom the patch. + 90/270 fix for surface radars by Redwine and Letterboy + an SD fix (lowered det height) Works ok..

04-19-07, 02:22 PM	#29
TopCat Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 105 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	Jace and Ducimus, you're my heroes. I've got to test it straight away!

04-19-07, 03:23 PM	#30
TopCat Helmsman Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 105 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	Hi Jace I tested your new Radar-file. I made a special test-mission for it where I placed several ships and aircrafts in a range from 10 to 50 km. Unfortunately there are still issues. The SJ-Radar works fine so far. The SD-Radar has the 90 to 270 bug, i.e. when travelling south, the planes are not detected. The SD-Radar detects ships as well (with any course).