British drop Holocaust lessons from history class to avoid offending Muslims.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I think the trend with Europe and Islam, and maybe America and fundamental Christians as well, is exactly the other way around.

How do you mean?
From my limited and humble view on the subject the European trend seams to be becoming more secular, especially in relation to Islam as people become more sensitive to non-secularism.
America, of course continues to be politically dominated by Christian extremists!

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by DeePsix501

Its right here: http://en.thinkexist.com/search/sear...+repeat+doomed

And Santayana did say somthing similiar. So we are both right.

Just to split hairs, Santayana WAS the original. Since him its been appropriated willy nilly and misquoted. Obviously it isn't a surprise that Churchill would have picked up on it. Smart bloody fellow.

I just think its funny that one of the most abused quotes in history has forgotten its author.

[August]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Just to split hairs, Santayana WAS the original. Since him its been appropriated willy nilly and misquoted. Obviously it isn't a surprise that Churchill would have picked up on it. Smart bloody fellow.

I just think its funny that one of the most abused quotes in history has forgotten its author.

I knew it was Santayana but I thought it was the Mexican emperor.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Great. Now the PC Pussies are crapping all over history. So by insulting Jewish people by ignoring an important part of their history, we'll be ay-okay with the Muslims, because when those select few whine and complain, we bawl over like a sack of s***. I'm sick of it.



Sorry about that.

[Heibges]

It seems this revisionism is everywhere.

Take Saving Private Ryan for instance.

If you didn't know better, you might think the US Army was non-segregated in WWII, if you thought Vin Diesel was playing a character of mixed decent.

Also, you might think it was easy to be Jewish in the US Army in WWII.

Norman Mailer's "Naked and the Dead", and even Neil Simon's 'Biloxi Blues" portray a much more realistic picture of the realities of American Society in the 40's. And my father of course.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by CCIP

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/6563429.stm

In fact the government has reaffirmed that in England, teaching children about the Holocaust is compulsory, and it is not banned elsewhere in the UK.

As far as I am aware it is not a compulsory subject, typical useless government not doing there home work. I have checked this with a friend of mine who is a teacher and they said the subject is part of learning about WW2 but not a separate subject on it's own.

Which was true in my day and as that was over 20 years ago for me.

As for the subect at hand it must be told in a way to school children will understand and learn what the Nazis did was pure evil.

[geetrue]

Fear should be taught instead ...

I'm not sure how this fits in but I'm sure it needs mentioning.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/122134be-ed1...b5df10621.html

[STEED]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I'm not sure how this fits in but I'm sure it needs mentioning.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/122134be-ed1...b5df10621.html

Laws that make denying or trivialising the Holocaust a criminal offence punishable by jail sentences will be introduced across the European Union, according to a proposal expecting to win backing from ministers Thursday.
Offenders will face up to three years in jail under the proposed legislation,

Is the EU going to lock up Iran?

Originally Posted by STEED

Is the EU going to lock up Iran?

Probably not. Future British students who have never heard of the holocaust may be at risk. Never mind the freedom of speach issues. That's just the US, which don't seem to exist in Germany or Austria currently and the entire EU in the future.

[Skybird]

Meanwhile, while Europe is concerned about not offending tolerant, peace-loving Muhammedanism, in Turkey three Christian publishers got bound, and murdered by Muhammedans.

It'S not the first murder of Christians in Turkey this year, and it is not the first murdering of christians in Muhammedan countries this year. And it was not different in the year and the years before.

How many Muhammdeans have been murdered in Europe recently, in the name of the church, or the name of Jesus?

Mosques and "culture centres" continue to be built almsot everyhwere ineurope. How many churches and synagogues are currently being build in muhammedan countries?

Many fatwas (calls for assassination) against western critics of Muhammedanism are currently on "active". how many muhammedan representatives or hate-preachers against Western culture are currently fearing to be assassinated by Christians or Jews in Europe?

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Heibges

It seems this revisionism is everywhere.

Take Saving Private Ryan for instance.

If you didn't know better, you might think the US Army was non-segregated in WWII, if you thought Vin Diesel was playing a character of mixed decent.

Also, you might think it was easy to be Jewish in the US Army in WWII.

Oh! Look over there!



The discrimination of minorities in the US military in WWII is not the subject of the movie Saving Private Ryan. I'm sure the military buffs here can point out other factual inaccuracies or distortions in the movie, which have no serious relevance as far as what the storyline of the movie is supposed to portray.

Incidentally, the reason why very often there appear multi-racial actors and fill-ins in movies, when they really don't fit in historically, is because there are anti-discrimination laws that may be violated if they didn't do otherwise. Even here, the intent is not revisionism but an attempt at fair employment practices.

UPDATE: I, too, think that what started this thread has been settled, at least the specific accusation against the entire UK educational system on this matter.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Oh! Look over there!



The discrimination of minorities in the US military in WWII is not the subject of the movie Saving Private Ryan. I'm sure the military buffs here can point out other factual inaccuracies or distortions in the movie, which have no serious relevance as far as what the storyline of the movie is supposed to portray.

Incidentally, the reason why very often there appear multi-racial actors and fill-ins in movies, when they really don't fit in historically, is because there are anti-discrimination laws that may be violated if they didn't do otherwise. Even here, the intent is not revisionism but an attempt at fair employment practices.

UPDATE: I, too, think that what started this thread has been settled, at least the specific accusation against the entire UK educational system on this matter.

I really couldn't figure out what the point of Saving Private Ryan was, except for a rehash of Sahara.

In the United States anti-discrimination laws do not apply to the entertainment industry in regards to actors or models representing historical figures or characters from movies or literature.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Heibges

In the United States anti-discrimination laws do not apply to the entertainment industry in regards to actors or models representing historical figures or characters from movies or literature.

What about the rest of the cast?

Sample short article: Casting Calls Might Violate Federal Law.

[joea]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

What about the rest of the cast?

Sample short article: Casting Calls Might Violate Federal Law.

Don't know about the USA, but here in Geneva there was a hue and cry raised when the re-enactor "Compagnie 1602" was accused of racism for not hiring minorities for it's re-enaction of the "Escalade" festival in Geneva every November. The Escalade was the last time the Duke of Savoy tried to conquer "the Protestant Rome" by mercenaries scaling the walls with ladders the night of November 12-13 1602. It failed and is a quite fun holiday with a parade, musket shooting, soup and chocolate pots. (Cause one lady dropped a pot of soup on an assailant)

Ahh what was my point...oh yea...the mercs hired by his Highness Duke Charles Emmanuel were mostly Spanish or Italian ... no minorites. Geneva was also rather different. Still they have to hire all minorities...well for the parade of musicians with kids from the high schools who play fife and drum it's ok to reflect the current mix I guess. Still to require that this group not refuse any minority is another example of PC gone overboard. Mind you I have not seen any among the actual re-enactors, all are pale middled aged Swiss men with beer and fondue bellies. :rotfl: