Not even a game, let alone a sim

[gollum31548]

Sorry Captains, just installed the 1.2 patch, started a new career and was ordered to photograph enemy carriers. In Manila. On 10 December 1941. I don't much care about eye candy, but anything calling itself a simualtion should, at least, simulate the conflct, should't it ?

I think I am gonna shelve this one until about patch 1.4 and hope it gets better

[Dane]

Your choice, this life is not all about killing, reference the Virginia episode

[AVGWarhawk]

I believe it is more a 'simulation' type game. It is not a 100% true simulation and probably will never be. Will the modders get it close to RL as possible? You bet'cha. From what I have seen dispite the quirks of some patrols, it is very good.

[TriskettheKid]

Yeah, seriously.

How can they call this a simulation if they don't even have a toilet? Disgraceful, Ubi. Disgraceful.

[FIREWALL]

WoW!!! This has been so beaten into the ground. Wait till about 12-2008
about the same time GWX was released for SH-3 [ 12-06 ] and lets see how we feel then. And see what has been done to SH-4.

Neal Keep a collection of a variety of these posts and publish them then.

[Ducimus]

As realism mods go, unless a new mod group emerges, i think about the best your going to see is Berry's "Real Fleet boat". Im sure the GWX team will look at SH4 eventually, but they've already made it abundantly clear their into uboats and the Atlantic, and not interested in fleet boats and the pacfic. So right now your money's riding on Berry.

[Duke_Wellington_1st]

This game ISNT a simulation at present , and nor should we have to rely on 3rd party developers to make it so.

This game belongs on XBOX at present, only - console players wouldnt defend an unfinished product with bugs, AI that dont respond to you and a litany of problems that stop this from being a naval sim.

crap verging on a discrace.

[captainFlunky]

I guess it's what you are looking for. It's a hobby like building model airplanes or birdwatching- purely recreational. And if it doesn't do it for you or it makes you frustrated one way or another, don't play it.

[Duke_Wellington_1st]

Originally Posted by captainFlunky

I guess it's what you are looking for. It's a hobby like building model airplanes or birdwatching- purely recreational. And if it doesn't do it for you or it makes you frustrated one way or another, don't play it.

The game claims to be a Naval Sim, I bought it for that reason (having loved the series). This isnt the case.
It seems that as time progresses and graphics become far more superior, publishers are far happier delivering "eye candy" instead of the real content that developed the original fanbase. The recent patch only reinforces my opinion on this (giving us anti-aliasing instead of fixing the motherload of real problems...) I see many posts on here from young chaps appluading themselves and the game for sinking battleships in full res and how exciting and beuatiful it is.....without thinking that this was done on the 2nd patrol, with no chase given by the escort, with no real effort involved....not to speak of realism.

Im sure there are people plenty happy with this, there always will be. But I cannot help but feel that ALOT has been lost between this version of the game and SHIII.
I hate seeing decent game series on the PC get eroded by this "console gaming" mentality. yes, it sells, but so does Britney Spears and Paris Hilton :P

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by Duke_Wellington_1st

I hate seeing decent game series on the PC get eroded by this "console gaming" mentality. yes, it sells, but so does Britney Spears and Paris Hilton :P

That the best point i've heard in a long time.

While I like SH4, the skill level is just too easy. Expcept with the constant air attacks.

The new big complaint seems to be how slack the enemy warships are. I surfaced last night in a convoy and not one DD attacked me.

*Looks forward to patch 1.3

[captainFlunky]

Originally Posted by Duke_Wellington_1st

yes, it sells, but so does Britney Spears and Paris Hilton :P

Good point. But I think that given the state of PC gaming vis a vis console gaming we are at a transitional point as consoles 'catch up' to PC's as far as sophistication is concerned. Unfortunately, I think the writing is on the wall and there will be less and less complex simulation games coming out in the future because of the potential earnings from developing the 'Britney Spears' for consoles that cater to a younger demographic with more time and disposable income to dedicate to games. It's sad really and makes me long for the good old days of the late 80's, early 90's when Dynamix was putting out games that couldn't possibly be rivaled by the SNES or Genesis. Back then I think, PC gamers had deeper, richer games then their console brothers could ever hope for. (Not that I didn't waste many an hour in college playing Madden, PTO, or Aerobiz on Ye Olde SNES.)

Lets face it- games like SH4 are a dying breed, and not to sound overly fawning I think we should enjoy it while we have it, shortcomings and all. I too wish there was "more" to it, but it's not like there are oodles of sub sims out there as opposed to the seemingly thousands of mindless FPS.

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

To be fair I wouldn't call SH3, with or without GWX, a simulation. It has far too many RPG elements, and not enough directly controllable technical elements, too be a simulation as such.

But that's just me indulging in pedantic musings.

[Aimbot]

Originally Posted by Duke_Wellington_1st

This game ISNT a simulation at present , and nor should we have to rely on 3rd party developers to make it so.

This game belongs on XBOX at present, only - console players wouldnt defend an unfinished product with bugs, AI that dont respond to you and a litany of problems that stop this from being a naval sim.

crap verging on a discrace.

People who say **** like that have never owned a console. Most console games have their fair share of bugs. The difference is that, until the 360's (the current generation of the xbox, champ) downloadable content the bugs were there for life, unless of course the game sold well enough for a special edition that would cost another 30$.

[captainFlunky]

Again I think the question one has to ask one's self is 'do I find this experience enjoyable?' I doubt anyone here or on any other games related forum has ever been 100% satisfied with a game or simulation or what have you. And lets face it, a true simulation like what air force pilots use are not supposed to be fun, they are supposed to be training tools. Personally, after reading many books about submarine warfare in the second world war, I don't really think I'd enjoy spending my precious free time experiencing a true sim detailing the time frame of SH3 or SH4. Lets be honest, if that were the case, three quarters, probably more, of the patrol reports would be "no enemies encountered, no torpedoes fired". I understand and appriciate that some people DO want that, but I earnestly believe that the majority want to be the Dick O'Kane or Gunther Prien of their virtual war. Not out of the realms of reality, I don't like the idea of sinking 6 Yamatoes (is that correct) if you know what I mean

[Grothesj2]

What is the old saying about going to war? 95% boredom and 5% sheer terror? 95% boredom doesnt make for a very good game though it would make for a more realistic sim I guess. And you got that right, how many players want to go out repeatedly and get nothing to shoot at? But hey, that would be realistic.