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I posted this last June in the SH4 Forum and it seems that it is very appropriate here as work is being done in modifying the Campaign files and such.
I have a translated copy of S. Komamiya's Wartime Transportation Convoys History on a CD. A fellow submarine researcher gave me this in 2005. It is an indespensable document (nearly 500 pages total in 3 files of MS Word) if you are interested in the subject. I am unsure who holds the copyright (if any) on this translation. Komimaya's work contains the following (where available): depature/arrival times, merchant ship names, escorting warship names, and a brief and sometimes detailed account of the convoys journey...including which particular Allied submarine (or ship) inflicted the losses. There also on index to locate US submarines involved in attacks. The index isn't that great though... You may PM me if you are interested in obtaining these files. All three files combined are about 3 megs. A few sample listings: Quote:
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Thanks for bringing that up again, Donner. I copied those a long time ago and was busy working on a simple list far in advance of SH4, when I got displaced.
If someone else can use those to make the convoys more realistic it would be great. On the other hand, I can't play at all right now, so I have no idea how realistic they are! ![]()
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Thanks Donner - I'd love to take a look at this. Very interesting blow-by-blow descriptions, and thanks to ONI-208J it's possible to research almost all the ships involved.
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Donner check your PM
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castorp345 & iambecomelife...
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Do you have access to a digital copy of ONI-208J, iambecomelife?
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There are also several other very useful ID manuals for armored vehicles, merchantmen, and military aircraft. A large proportion of the manuals deal with vehicles that would have been encountered in the Pacific Theatre. I noticed that one of the sample images at the site is of a merchantman that I'd like to include in my mod (modern, long bridge deck). The actual size of the scans is much larger than the pic below, and they are in PDF format. ![]() ![]() |
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It's interesting to look at how many ships were convoyed in a given period compared to the total number of ships they had---all sailing back and forth as quickly as they could turn around. Basically 250 japanese merchant ships must have been at sea any given day.
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The ONI stuff rocks. Buy it now!
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That's probably because their merchant marine was stretched to the breaking point. Even at the beginning of the war the Japanese didn't have enough ships, and that's counting the vast amount of Allied tonnage that was captured from European colonies. Although the Japanese military had been tied up in China since the 30's and knew that they would need much more new tonnage to take on the U.S. and U.K., they still had not produced enough new tonnage by December of 1941. Anyone who has read "Samurai!" by Saburo Sakai remembers how Sakai and his group of elite pilots were crammed into an aging, slow freighter that could have easily been sunk at any time; the US and Britain, OTOH, had enough fast liners to give most soldiers a reasonably safe passage, to say nothing of irreplaceable aircrews. There are lots of similar situations that demonstrate the poor state of their merchant fleet: island garrisons starving because it was impossible to transport supplies to them, loaded fleet oilers being used as troopships (!),carriers and destroyers used regularly to ship fuel & food, and so on. |
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Oh yeah. You're preaching to the choir.
![]() The decisive battle the IJN sought was fought... December 7th, 1941. Their war plan (if you can even say they had one) required a quick, negotiated peace. Pissing off the US by the PH attack (even had the war declaration arrived on time moments before the attack) guaranteed a protracted war—a war they knew they could not win. BTW, another must-have book for the PTO enthusiast would be Combined Fleet: Decoded. Oh, and Kaigun, too. tater |
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Thank you, sir.
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Those convoy documents are wonderful. Sometimes the "escort" is an empty merchant equipped with depth charges. I found one instance of a merchant sinking after a dud torpedo made a small hole that just couldn't be fixed. On the other hand there was the merchant that didn't sink after taking 8 torpedoes over a 10-hour period! (This is also recorded in United States Submarine Operations In World War Two).
If you like research at all, get a copy of that document from Donner; it's priceless.
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Yeah, really, that is an awesome find.
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