Dems pass bill to hasten defeat - Page 2

The Avon Lady · 03-28-07, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cobalt

and obviously only unpatriotic communists liberals want to lose the war.

No.

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silly leftists marxist scum!

Yes.

Tchocky · 03-28-07, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Yahoshua

Like I said.

One camp wants to win the war.

One camp wants to lose the war.

Barring climate models and the opposite sex, I can't think of many things more complicated than the Middle East right now. It's not as simple as "cut & run/stay the course", the day that anything is is the day a donkey can run the world.

The Avon Lady · 03-28-07, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

the day that anything is is the day a donkey can run the world.

Well, we are talking about the Democratic Party.

03-28-07, 01:55 AM

How the hell are we losing, were fighting a bunch of suicidal maniacs, honestly are they that hard, this guy comes charging at you strapped with dynomite, SHOOT HIM.:rotfl:

Skybird · 03-28-07, 05:12 AM

Very funny, Rilder. And not really what reality is like. Because he is not running, but walking, and not at your direction, but that of the market, and not showing an explosive belt, but driving a truckload of explosives. I agree with AL that in parts the troops should go home (those who have been running longtime service now, or even several tours), while newly arrived troops may find better use in Afghanistan. But i would prefer to see them rotated and other troops from home taking their place in Afghanistan. Several years Iraq is service enough for one man, I think."In Afghanistan I made very personal experiences with the fanatical fighters of Islam, with their utter disgust for death and religiously motivated readiness for self-sacrifice. In that cultural area of theirs we have nothing to win", said Gen. Lebed once. I see much truth in that statement not only concerning Afghanistan. Iraq is lost since long, Afghanistan's chances have diminished so far like never before in the past 6 years. Let's try to save there what is left to be saved. Even that already is a highly uncretain issue. Taleban cannot be defeated militarily, they will just keep on coming, for decades if needed, and the better part of the civil population is so desillusionised that they are more or less hostile towards the foreign troops now. It was not always like that. One did not read the signs in time, and ignored them. The mess today is the result.

August · 03-28-07, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

By your logic, the Soviet Union should have toughed it out in Afghanistan back in the 80s, because if they leave, failure (defined as propping up their favored government) is guaranteed and they MIGHT just succeed if they continue.

And by your logic England should have thrown in the towel back in 1940 after the fall of France.

Yahoshua · 03-28-07, 08:59 PM

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...s_for_war.html

gnirtS · 03-28-07, 09:01 PM

Bush relies on ill founded rampant paranoia to keep support for his war going....and there are just about enough gullible people around to get him the support he needs.

Yahoshua · 03-28-07, 09:04 PM

You sound ALOT like this guy:

"There is no terrorist threat....." -Michael Moore.

gnirtS · 03-28-07, 09:13 PM

A large % of americans still think 11/9 was somehow to do with Iraq. That shows just how utterly deluded the populace is, taken in by spin, propaganda and paranoia from the government.

Occupying an arab area in the middle east and killing more and more each day is REALLY going to make them love you. As america found out on 11/9 - piss people off enough and they eventually strike back.
You dont make people like you by bombing/killing their families.

Enigma · 03-28-07, 09:17 PM

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A large % of americans still think 11/9 was somehow to do with Iraq. That shows just how utterly deluded the populace is, taken in by spin, propaganda and paranoia from the government.

Sadly, this is very true.

The rest of your post, however, I cant roll with. It smells too much like that "America deserved it" bull****.

Tchocky · 03-28-07, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gnirtS

A large % of americans still think 11/9 was somehow to do with Iraq. That shows just how utterly deluded the populace is, taken in by spin, propaganda and paranoia from the government.

Even the troops in Iraq think that it has to do with 9/11 - http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

Carefully massaged speeches, statements made without being explicitly worded.

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Polling data show that right after Sept. 11, 2001, when Americans were asked open-ended questions about who was behind the attacks, only 3 percent mentioned Iraq or Hussein. But by January of 2003, attitudes had been transformed. In a Knight Ridder poll, 44 percent of Americans reported that either "most" or "some" of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The answer is zero.

CS Monitor article from 2003 - http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.htm

gnirtS · 03-28-07, 09:19 PM

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Even the troops in Iraq think that it has to do with 9/11 - http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

Being intelligent was never a requirement for joining the army so thats to be expected.

Tchocky · 03-28-07, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gnirtS

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Even the troops in Iraq think that it has to do with 9/11 - http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

Being intelligent was never a requirement for joining the army so thats to be expected.

Slow down there, John Kerry.
Intelligence also isnt required to know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. They have been misled.

gnirtS · 03-28-07, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Slow down there, John Kerry.
Intelligence also isnt required to know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. They have been misled.

Lack of intelligence meaning easily misled. Army in particular at lower level thinking for yourself really isnt encouraged. You're told what to believe.

Deliberate lies, propaganda in an attempt to mislead an entire population. Sums up iraq nicely.

03-28-07, 05:12 AM	#20
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,671 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Very funny, Rilder. And not really what reality is like. Because he is not running, but walking, and not at your direction, but that of the market, and not showing an explosive belt, but driving a truckload of explosives. I agree with AL that in parts the troops should go home (those who have been running longtime service now, or even several tours), while newly arrived troops may find better use in Afghanistan. But i would prefer to see them rotated and other troops from home taking their place in Afghanistan. Several years Iraq is service enough for one man, I think."In Afghanistan I made very personal experiences with the fanatical fighters of Islam, with their utter disgust for death and religiously motivated readiness for self-sacrifice. In that cultural area of theirs we have nothing to win", said Gen. Lebed once. I see much truth in that statement not only concerning Afghanistan. Iraq is lost since long, Afghanistan's chances have diminished so far like never before in the past 6 years. Let's try to save there what is left to be saved. Even that already is a highly uncretain issue. Taleban cannot be defeated militarily, they will just keep on coming, for decades if needed, and the better part of the civil population is so desillusionised that they are more or less hostile towards the foreign troops now. It was not always like that. One did not read the signs in time, and ignored them. The mess today is the result. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-28-07, 08:59 PM	#22
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/...s_for_war.html __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

03-28-07, 09:04 PM	#24
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You sound ALOT like this guy: "There is no terrorist threat....." -Michael Moore. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

03-28-07, 01:55 AM	#19
Rilder Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	How the hell are we losing, were fighting a bunch of suicidal maniacs, honestly are they that hard, this guy comes charging at you strapped with dynomite, SHOOT HIM.:rotfl:

03-28-07, 09:01 PM	#23
gnirtS Officer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Wales, UK Posts: 237 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Bush relies on ill founded rampant paranoia to keep support for his war going....and there are just about enough gullible people around to get him the support he needs.

03-28-07, 09:13 PM	#25
gnirtS Officer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South Wales, UK Posts: 237 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	A large % of americans still think 11/9 was somehow to do with Iraq. That shows just how utterly deluded the populace is, taken in by spin, propaganda and paranoia from the government. Occupying an arab area in the middle east and killing more and more each day is REALLY going to make them love you. As america found out on 11/9 - piss people off enough and they eventually strike back. You dont make people like you by bombing/killing their families.