Salvo Shooting!! Neal or Anyone????

hachiman · 03-21-07, 02:44 PM

Hi

I know we can't set salvo's like the U-boats in SH3.
In you Video i noticed you

Picked Tube 1
Set an Angle
Fired
Changed Tube
Set and Angle
Fired
Changed Tube
Set and Angle
Fired
Changed Tube
Set and Angle
Fired

Seems very long winded compared to the past 2 games.
Can't you set the angle for each tube individually before you fire any?

So it would be like this

Set individual spread angle for each tube before any shots are made.

Pick Tube 1
Fire
Change Tube
Fire
Change Tube
Fire
Change Tube
Fire

Thanx

Spaxspore · 03-21-07, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hachiman

Hi

I know we can't set salvo's like the U-boats in SH3.
In you Video i noticed you

Picked Tube 1
Set an Angle
Fired
Changed Tube
Set and Angle
Fired
Changed Tube
Set and Angle
Fired
Changed Tube
Set and Angle
Fired

Seems very long winded compared to the past 2 games.
Can't you set the angle for each tube individually before you fire any?

So it would be like this

Set individual spread angle for each tube before any shots are made.

Pick Tube 1
Fire
Change Tube
Fire
Change Tube
Fire
Change Tube
Fire

Thanx

yea i miss that feature, guess sh4 doesnt have it...

hmatthias · 03-21-07, 02:46 PM

That "feature" was probably missed by American WWII sub captains as well, since it wasn't available on US subs...

NefariousKoel · 03-21-07, 02:47 PM

I can't speak for Neal, but the reason I would change the offset angle between each shot is that I don't want my firing solution to get too old while I'm switching tubes and cranking the angle for everything all at once.

At least the way Neal did it, your first one or two fish are still pretty up to date with the firing solution. I could just be superstitious about those few extra seconds though.

Lawndart · 03-21-07, 03:00 PM

I also noticed that it didn't seem like you were opeing the tubes before fireing... It this now figured into the solutions? It was key to a lot of my hits in SH3... And lack of hits before I knew about it.

Spaxspore · 03-21-07, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hmatthias

That "feature" was probably missed by American WWII sub captains as well, since it wasn't available on US subs...

youll tellin me a gato class has more torpedo tubes then a type IX on steriods, and they couldnt put a little computer to compute a salvo .... sad panda....

ryuzu · 03-21-07, 03:09 PM

No Salvo's sadly - but that is how it was.

Also, you can open the door for one tube but when you switch to the next, the door closes auto-magically so you can't pre-open all the doors to save some time. Having said that, I'm not certain that the time to fire is any different for an open vs not-opened tube. Might be worth checking since the stuff I've seen isn't conclusive...

r.

Ducimus · 03-21-07, 04:23 PM

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No Salvo's sadly - but that is how it was.

You gotta be kidding. I vaguley remember early war practice of US subs was the use of what they call "fan shots".

Hmmm..

Acutaly theres a way to see if this is intended or not in game. Check the TDC, there shoould be a setting for torpedo spread angle's. If there's not, then, no salvo's.

joea · 03-21-07, 04:27 PM

I find it hard to believe that it was not possible to open more than one TT door at a time, even if salvoes were not possible.

Sailor Steve · 03-21-07, 04:29 PM

Yes, the Americans fired salvoes. They did it by setting the spread angles and then firing the torpedoes, five to ten seconds apart.

I was just recently shown on another thread on this subject that the Germans actually had a pre-set switch to govern which tubes would be fired, which SH3 replicated better than I had assumed. The torpedoes were still fired about five seconds apart, which SH3 does not do.

Onkel Neal · 03-21-07, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawndart

I also noticed that it didn't seem like you were opeing the tubes before fireing... It this now figured into the solutions? It was key to a lot of my hits in SH3... And lack of hits before I knew about it.

Lol, no, I did it because I needed to shoot right away, before the convoy zigged or my scope was sighted. Since this was a video, I kept my scope up about twice as much as normal, and was little more deliberate with setting up the firing solution.

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Seems very long winded compared to the past 2 games.
Can't you set the angle for each tube individually before you fire any?

No, I don't think so. You can (and I do) set the depth for each tube in advance, and you can set them all to high speed (depending on the torp type, these were low speed only). It's not a big deal at all, gives me something to do to impress my crew.

Ducimus · 03-21-07, 04:52 PM

I wonder if theres a torpedo door switch somewhere. In SH3 you can a manually open up all tubes (regardless if in salvo mode or not) by flipping the switchs just below the periscope in the conning tower.

Snowman999 · 03-21-07, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

I find it hard to believe that it was not possible to open more than one TT door at a time, even if salvoes were not possible.

They could open all muzzle doors at once. I thought I'd remembered, from the SubSchool interlock lecture, that only one at a time was possible to minimize flooding risk. Went to the on-line torpedo manual and read up on tube mechanics and interlock series (at 3AM--is my life working out or what?) Turns out I misremembered from 26 years ago.

Most important interlock is the breech door-muzzle door. Openning the breech while the muzzle is open can ruin your whole day. Other interlocks are gravy.

hachiman · 03-21-07, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowman999

Quote:

Originally Posted by joea

I find it hard to believe that it was not possible to open more than one TT door at a time, even if salvoes were not possible.

They could open all muzzle doors at once. I thought I'd remembered, from the SubSchool interlock lecture, that only one at a time was possible to minimize flooding risk. Went to the on-line torpedo manual and read up on tube mechanics and interlock series (at 3AM--is my life working out or what?) Turns out I misremembered from 26 years ago.

Most important interlock is the breech door-muzzle door. Openning the breech while the muzzle is open can ruin your whole day. Other interlocks are gravy.

So could US Subs then open all the tube doors together thern or not?

Snowman999 · 03-22-07, 12:42 AM

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They could open all muzzle doors at once

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So could US Subs then open all the tube doors together thern or not?

Yes.

03-21-07, 02:44 PM	#1
hachiman Planesman Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Edinburgh Jockland Posts: 199 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Salvo Shooting!! Neal or Anyone???? Hi I know we can't set salvo's like the U-boats in SH3. In you Video i noticed you Picked Tube 1 Set an Angle Fired Changed Tube Set and Angle Fired Changed Tube Set and Angle Fired Changed Tube Set and Angle Fired Seems very long winded compared to the past 2 games. Can't you set the angle for each tube individually before you fire any? So it would be like this Set individual spread angle for each tube before any shots are made. Pick Tube 1 Fire Change Tube Fire Change Tube Fire Change Tube Fire Thanx __________________ Whats not to love about Submarines? Long'Hard and full of Seamen!!

03-21-07, 02:47 PM	#4
NefariousKoel Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: No-good Missouri scum Posts: 1,223 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I can't speak for Neal, but the reason I would change the offset angle between each shot is that I don't want my firing solution to get too old while I'm switching tubes and cranking the angle for everything all at once. At least the way Neal did it, your first one or two fish are still pretty up to date with the firing solution. I could just be superstitious about those few extra seconds though. __________________ "When Gary told me he had found Jesus, I thought, Yahoo! We're rich! But it turned out to be something different." - Jack Handey

03-21-07, 04:29 PM	#10
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yes, the Americans fired salvoes. They did it by setting the spread angles and then firing the torpedoes, five to ten seconds apart. I was just recently shown on another thread on this subject that the Germans actually had a pre-set switch to govern which tubes would be fired, which SH3 replicated better than I had assumed. The torpedoes were still fired about five seconds apart, which SH3 does not do. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-21-07, 02:46 PM	#3
hmatthias Loader Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: United States Posts: 82 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That "feature" was probably missed by American WWII sub captains as well, since it wasn't available on US subs...

03-21-07, 03:00 PM	#5
Lawndart Bosun Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 66 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I also noticed that it didn't seem like you were opeing the tubes before fireing... It this now figured into the solutions? It was key to a lot of my hits in SH3... And lack of hits before I knew about it.

03-21-07, 03:09 PM	#7
ryuzu Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 171 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	No Salvo's sadly - but that is how it was. Also, you can open the door for one tube but when you switch to the next, the door closes auto-magically so you can't pre-open all the doors to save some time. Having said that, I'm not certain that the time to fire is any different for an open vs not-opened tube. Might be worth checking since the stuff I've seen isn't conclusive... r.

03-21-07, 04:27 PM	#9
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I find it hard to believe that it was not possible to open more than one TT door at a time, even if salvoes were not possible.

03-21-07, 04:52 PM	#12
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I wonder if theres a torpedo door switch somewhere. In SH3 you can a manually open up all tubes (regardless if in salvo mode or not) by flipping the switchs just below the periscope in the conning tower.