FSAA/Anti-aliasing/Major resolution problem (merged) - Page 36

OneTinSoldier · 03-21-07, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The General

The Catch-22 is this; you all must buy SH4, such as it is, if you ever wanna see a High Res version. They need SH4 to be very successful before they'll commision a sequel.

I corrected what I think was a typo on your part in my quote and changed 'SH3' to 'SH4'.

Now... hold on here. There were many complaints about SH3 being locked at 1024x768. Hence the, ahem, higher resolutions for SH4. Yet we come to find out that the 3D world is still locked at 1024x768 and is faked for any resolutions higher than that!

SH3 = 1024x768 locked - people want a higher res
SH4 = 1024x768 and higher res's are faked - people want a 'real' higher res

Now... how many versions of SH are you going to suggest we 'need' to purchase before we finally, actually, get a genuine higher res than 1024x768!? Think about this.... why should we support them if they are just going to fake it?!? To me it's a lie and a cheat. I know of no other game that fakes higher resolutions!! Can anyone here name any other commercial game, ever, that has faked their res like this?

DaMaGe007 · 03-21-07, 11:25 AM

I remember when Master of Orion 3 came out locked at 800x600...oh boy did they cop it !

cherbert · 03-21-07, 11:33 AM

I'm wondering if its worth starting a thread to get people to bombard UBI with emails to get some sort of response from them.

Their total silence is getting beyond a joke now - they clearly are just trying to salvage as many sales as they can - unforutnatley I think its having the opposite effect as many appear to be cancelling their pre-orders.

I think considering SH3 has been hacked to run at true high resolution I see no reason why the devs can't fix this problem.

They are annoying me now with their lack of communication to this community - the release date isn't even here yet and this debate is getting out of control.

I hope Neil's review covers all the bugs and issues found thus far - I wonder if Neil has v1.1?

DaMaGe007 · 03-21-07, 11:39 AM

I would hate to be in Neals position right now, on one hand if he is honest about the issues he may upset the devs/publisher to some degree, if he doesnt mention the bugs he loses some credibility with his forum users.

Not a nice position to be in if you ask me.

Remember subsim is mentioned on the box of the game...ouch...

cherbert · 03-21-07, 11:42 AM

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"Silent Hunter 4 is a knockout." ...SUBSIM.COM

Laughable.

Where did that quote come from?

XanderF · 03-21-07, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bratwurst

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Originally Posted by DragonRR1

5. There is some AA going on even at 1024x768

Not only do you get jagginess due to low resolution but also you get BLURRY jagginess making it look even worse. Apparently, running windowed in 1024x768 won’t solve the problem so there is no escape.

The complete lack of sounds, even compared to vanilla SHIII is also a serious problem. Not looking forward to press reviews on this one. Only Neil may overlook SHIV shortcomings due to his native love for subsims.

Yeah, I was going to say - AA is NOT a 'blur filter'. There is definitely NO AA going on at ANY point in this game.

If you think there is...umm...go do more reading on what exactly AA *is*!

Because...it's not here! The 'blurriness' is just the post-process filter...well...'blurring' the image. AA doesn't effect the "whole image", it just effects polygon edges by removing the 'sawtooth' jaggedness. I'd point you to these two posts in this thread on SH3 to highlight the differences FSAA makes:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...1&postcount=64

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...3&postcount=66

Nightmare · 03-21-07, 12:18 PM

The thing that concerns me is a lot of people are put off by the lack of AA to begin with. Next we factor in the upscale of anything beyond 1024x768, followed by bugs. I don't think any of these are going to go over well by reviewer since they tend to be hard on follow up products, and not quite as forgiving on things that aren't fixed from the orginal version. Bad reviews or less than stellar reviews for a product in a dying market means loss of sales. That could very well mean the death of the SH series, or at the very least means we won't be seeing a new sub sim for quite some time.

XanderF · 03-21-07, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightmare

The thing that concerns me is a lot of people are put off by the lack of AA to begin with. Next we factor in the upscale of anything beyond 1024x768, followed by bugs. I don't think any of these are going to go over well by reviewer since they tend to be hard on follow up products, and not quite forgiving on things that aren't fixed from the orginal version. Bad reviews or less than stellar reviews for a product in a dying market means loss of sales. That could very well mean the death of the SH series, or at the very least means we won't be seeing a new sub sim for quite some time.

On the one hand, I agree that it's important to support developers that develop niche games.

On the OTHER hand, if they deliver us "Battleship" and tell us it's "Harpoon 5"...I mean, you gotta draw a line SOMEWHERE.

Obviously not saying this goes that far, but, seriously...if we don't have SOME standards, the genre will keep getting dumbed down until 'Battlestations Midway' is as 'realistic' as we can get!

(Aside: another subsimmer in Portland?!? Been to the Blueback?

)

Paco454 · 03-21-07, 12:42 PM

Ok seems you change resolution but this only effects the menu's and icons. The game however remains fixed at 1024x768 with AA not working. I tried using the keygety's res fix for Sh3 using the Compatibilty Administrator but it only bumps me back to desktop.

We need a fix for this as we did in SH3.
Anybody able to fix this?

PACO454

OneTinSoldier · 03-21-07, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Paco454

Ok seems you change resolution but this only effects the menu's and icons. The game however remains fixed at 1024x768 with AA not working. I tried using the keygety's res fix for Sh3 using the Compatibilty Administrator but it only bumps me back to desktop.

We need a fix for this as we did in SH3.
Anybody able to fix this?

PACO454

No. Not yet.

And it's why this thread is 22 pages long and still going strong! We want this made right Ubi!

DragonRR1 · 03-21-07, 01:19 PM

Great news about the patch!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108143

Except that there is not a single mention of the resolution issue

Guido · 03-21-07, 02:09 PM

I wonder if that patch will fix the carboard crew members, my wife came in whilst I was playing SH4, and I showed her the crew. She laughed aloud at the "stick men" as she called them. I really think Id prefer no crew at all, to the "RIFLE RANGE MEN"!

Ark · 03-21-07, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cherbert

Quote:

"Silent Hunter 4 is a knockout." ...SUBSIM.COM

Laughable.

Where did that quote come from?

Well, it isn't exactly untrue.

SHIV did knockout about $70 w/shipping from my wallet.

Father · 03-21-07, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DJSatane

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Originally Posted by Father

I"m getting ready to take this back to the shop as well, I won't get all my money back but they buy back games.

The lack of AA support is a joke, and by the screenshots that were released prior I feel completely cheated here.

Not only the lack of AA is crap but also vertical sync can't be enabled.

I can't force it via the gfx card either.

Even at my native res of 1920x1200 on a dell 24" which is supported as a resolution things look almost worse then at 1024, seems like the graphics themselves become inflated making it look even jaggier.

Running on an LCD vsync is pretty essential and the tearing I am getting is absolutely shocking.

A real shame as I really enjoyed SH3, I even had SH4 on pre-order but as good as the game might be the graphical quality of it is so bad that I simply cannot take the approach of "could be better but it will do" this time.
Sorry but looking like this I really can't play it.

I'll hang out a little bit in hope of a solution but it seems that the issues are fundamental to the graphics engine so

Have you tried changing synchronized to yes under [video] in main.cfg (in your documents\sh4\cfg\ folder)? That did the trick for me as far as vsync.

Yes that did fix the tearing, thanks for the tip, why on earth they don't make this a menu choice sigh.

Now for all the other issues

Deep Six · 03-21-07, 06:24 PM

Quick question for those who have a 8800 card has anyone tried using nHancer and tried forcing AA thru this utility?. I use it and it can in most cases get "around" the fact that some games have no AA.....

Deep Six.

03-21-07, 12:42 PM	#534
Paco454 Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Resolutions. Forced 1024x768 Ok seems you change resolution but this only effects the menu's and icons. The game however remains fixed at 1024x768 with AA not working. I tried using the keygety's res fix for Sh3 using the Compatibilty Administrator but it only bumps me back to desktop. We need a fix for this as we did in SH3. Anybody able to fix this? PACO454

03-21-07, 02:09 PM	#537
Guido Loader Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Englande Posts: 84 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I wonder if that patch will fix the carboard crew members, my wife came in whilst I was playing SH4, and I showed her the crew. She laughed aloud at the "stick men" as she called them. I really think Id prefer no crew at all, to the "RIFLE RANGE MEN"! __________________ Cant sink, wont sink........................

03-21-07, 06:24 PM	#540
Deep Six Ensign Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England, Manchester. Posts: 235 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	Quick question for those who have a 8800 card has anyone tried using nHancer and tried forcing AA thru this utility?. I use it and it can in most cases get "around" the fact that some games have no AA..... Deep Six. __________________

03-21-07, 11:25 AM	#527
DaMaGe007 Watch Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 338 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I remember when Master of Orion 3 came out locked at 800x600...oh boy did they cop it !

03-21-07, 11:33 AM	#528
cherbert Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 210 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	I'm wondering if its worth starting a thread to get people to bombard UBI with emails to get some sort of response from them. Their total silence is getting beyond a joke now - they clearly are just trying to salvage as many sales as they can - unforutnatley I think its having the opposite effect as many appear to be cancelling their pre-orders. I think considering SH3 has been hacked to run at true high resolution I see no reason why the devs can't fix this problem. They are annoying me now with their lack of communication to this community - the release date isn't even here yet and this debate is getting out of control. I hope Neil's review covers all the bugs and issues found thus far - I wonder if Neil has v1.1?

03-21-07, 11:39 AM	#529
DaMaGe007 Watch Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 338 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would hate to be in Neals position right now, on one hand if he is honest about the issues he may upset the devs/publisher to some degree, if he doesnt mention the bugs he loses some credibility with his forum users. Not a nice position to be in if you ask me. Remember subsim is mentioned on the box of the game...ouch...

03-21-07, 12:18 PM	#532
Nightmare Engineer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 210 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The thing that concerns me is a lot of people are put off by the lack of AA to begin with. Next we factor in the upscale of anything beyond 1024x768, followed by bugs. I don't think any of these are going to go over well by reviewer since they tend to be hard on follow up products, and not quite as forgiving on things that aren't fixed from the orginal version. Bad reviews or less than stellar reviews for a product in a dying market means loss of sales. That could very well mean the death of the SH series, or at the very least means we won't be seeing a new sub sim for quite some time.

03-21-07, 01:19 PM	#536
DragonRR1 Officer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UK Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Great news about the patch! http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108143 Except that there is not a single mention of the resolution issue