SH4 Anti-piracy protection - like Starforce?

Captain Nemo · 03-19-07, 09:21 AM

I have not ordered SH4 yet, but plan to soon, I just wondered if the anti-piracy protection that comes with it is like Starforce or is it something less intrusive? Also can you do a full install and play SH4 without the DVD in the drive or is it necessary to keep it in the drive like SH3?

Nemo

danlisa · 03-19-07, 09:25 AM

I think they have decided on Securom as protection but I don't have the game yet.

You can google to find out further info.

EDIT - It is SecuROM. (confirmed) This is far less intrusive compared to SF.

mookiemookie · 03-19-07, 09:26 AM

Ubisoft dropped Starforce last year due to public outcry. Not sure what they use now but I know it isn't Starforce.

Gizzmoe · 03-19-07, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

Also can you do a full install and play SH4 without the DVD in the drive

No.

It762 · 03-19-07, 10:54 AM

rofl starforce, securrom it's all the same I think.

I liked those old copy protection schemes much better e.g. when they are integrated into the game - Manic mansion.... Monkey Island etc...

Immacolata · 03-19-07, 11:05 AM

Yes, losing your Maniac Mansion manual was really awesome

Spaxspore · 03-19-07, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by It762

rofl starforce, securrom it's all the same I think.

I liked those old copy protection schemes much better e.g. when they are integrated into the game - Manic mansion.... Monkey Island etc...

no its not, secrum doesnt install hidden software on your machine like starforce does. Securm is a lot more computer user friendly. And allows the user to make backups of thier legally purchased discs so u can keep the orginal nice and safe and scratch free.

joea · 03-19-07, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Spaxspore

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Originally Posted by It762

rofl starforce, securrom it's all the same I think.

I liked those old copy protection schemes much better e.g. when they are integrated into the game - Manic mansion.... Monkey Island etc...

no its not, secrum doesnt install hidden software on your machine like starforce does. Securm is a lot more computer user friendly. And allows the user to make backups of thier legally purchased discs so u can keep the orginal nice and safe and scratch free.

Indeed.

Nothing in common with Starforce.

TheSatyr · 03-19-07, 11:43 AM

Securrom is just as bad if not worse. Some people with Neverwinter Nights 2 did a test by running the game with Securrom and without it,(Which may actually have been illegal),and found that Securrom causes the game to run over 5 fps slower than it ran with Securrom removed.

There is actually a huge e-mail campaign and a massive Forum petition now to get Securrom removed from the game,but so far Obsidian is totally ignoring the e-mails and petition and not even bothering to reply to any of them.

Spaxspore · 03-19-07, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Securrom is just as bad if not worse. Some people with Neverwinter Nights 2 did a test by running the game with Securrom and without it,(Which may actually have been illegal),and found that Securrom causes the game to run over 5 fps slower than it ran with Securrom removed.

There is actually a huge e-mail campaign and a massive Forum petition now to get Securrom removed from the game,but so far Obsidian is totally ignoring the e-mails and petition and not even bothering to reply to any of them.

well nwn is a resource hog to begin with, anyhow the ver of secrum 7 on SH4 is a new version. I had 0 performance problems @ max graphics @ 1600x1200 res

Gizzmoe · 03-19-07, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Securrom is just as bad if not worse. Some people with Neverwinter Nights 2 did a test by running the game with Securrom and without it,(Which may actually have been illegal),and found that Securrom causes the game to run over 5 fps slower than it ran with Securrom removed.

It´s impossible to draw a conclusion out of this. If they had tested like 5 different Securom-protected games on at least two different PC´s and all showed the same symptoms, now that would mean something.

P_Funk · 03-19-07, 12:17 PM

If you think about it though for all the trouble and outcry and alleged wrong doings, both true and false, all this invasive or seemingly passive piracy prevention software is irrelavent.

I mean there isn't an anti-piracy system made that can't be hacked, and any idiot with google and the ability to string together a sentence can find the seedier side to the internet. Its so ineffective that you can get the game before its in stores. But for all that it doesn't do half the time you might even hurt sales for fear that some 14 year old puke will download it when he wasn't going to buy it anyway. I can remember alot of people telling me about a few games "I never played it cause it had starforce".

Starforce was a big lesson. I wonder where the future is. I don't think its bullet proof software.

EDIT. That said I am getting me SH4.

Immacolata · 03-19-07, 12:28 PM

I think the best "anti-piracy protection" is giving the game away for free :rotfl:

DiveMonkey · 03-19-07, 12:49 PM

I don't mind sucrom so much, I have it on Olegs IL2 46 and haven't had any problems

I had LOTS of problems with starforce

on SH3.

It was slow loading and made me flinch at the speed it ran my drive

More than once i actually moved away from my computer thinking it was about to explode!

I'm glade ubi moved away from starforce

But I don't think crying about sucrom is a very good idea, I've heard some people have had problems but most have found solutions at sucroms site.

I mean, they could always bring back Starforce 4.0

Spaxspore · 03-19-07, 12:56 PM

only time i had issues with s7 was with titan quest when it first came out. I bought it and for a love of me i kept gettin security module failed to intilized, i was not the only one, soon after THQ released a patch that removed s7 completely

03-19-07, 09:21 AM	#1
Captain Nemo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 1,144 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	SH4 Anti-piracy protection - like Starforce? I have not ordered SH4 yet, but plan to soon, I just wondered if the anti-piracy protection that comes with it is like Starforce or is it something less intrusive? Also can you do a full install and play SH4 without the DVD in the drive or is it necessary to keep it in the drive like SH3? Nemo __________________ "I'm afraid there is no disguising the fact that King's obsession with the Pacific and the Battle of Washington cost us dear in the Battle of the Atlantic". Sir John Slessor GCB, DSO, MC, DL AOC-in-C Coastal Command RAF ___________________________________________

03-19-07, 09:25 AM	#2
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	I think they have decided on Securom as protection but I don't have the game yet. You can google to find out further info. EDIT - It is SecuROM. (confirmed) This is far less intrusive compared to SF. __________________

03-19-07, 09:26 AM	#3
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Ubisoft dropped Starforce last year due to public outcry. Not sure what they use now but I know it isn't Starforce. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

03-19-07, 11:05 AM	#6
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Yes, losing your Maniac Mansion manual was really awesome __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill

03-19-07, 12:17 PM	#12
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	If you think about it though for all the trouble and outcry and alleged wrong doings, both true and false, all this invasive or seemingly passive piracy prevention software is irrelavent. I mean there isn't an anti-piracy system made that can't be hacked, and any idiot with google and the ability to string together a sentence can find the seedier side to the internet. Its so ineffective that you can get the game before its in stores. But for all that it doesn't do half the time you might even hurt sales for fear that some 14 year old puke will download it when he wasn't going to buy it anyway. I can remember alot of people telling me about a few games "I never played it cause it had starforce". Starforce was a big lesson. I wonder where the future is. I don't think its bullet proof software. EDIT. That said I am getting me SH4. __________________

03-19-07, 10:54 AM	#5
It762 Gunner Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 97 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	rofl starforce, securrom it's all the same I think. I liked those old copy protection schemes much better e.g. when they are integrated into the game - Manic mansion.... Monkey Island etc...

03-19-07, 11:43 AM	#9
TheSatyr Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 545 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Securrom is just as bad if not worse. Some people with Neverwinter Nights 2 did a test by running the game with Securrom and without it,(Which may actually have been illegal),and found that Securrom causes the game to run over 5 fps slower than it ran with Securrom removed. There is actually a huge e-mail campaign and a massive Forum petition now to get Securrom removed from the game,but so far Obsidian is totally ignoring the e-mails and petition and not even bothering to reply to any of them.

03-19-07, 12:28 PM	#13
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I think the best "anti-piracy protection" is giving the game away for free :rotfl: __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill

03-19-07, 12:49 PM	#14
DiveMonkey Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 111 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't mind sucrom so much, I have it on Olegs IL2 46 and haven't had any problems I had LOTS of problems with starforce on SH3. It was slow loading and made me flinch at the speed it ran my drive More than once i actually moved away from my computer thinking it was about to explode! I'm glade ubi moved away from starforce But I don't think crying about sucrom is a very good idea, I've heard some people have had problems but most have found solutions at sucroms site. I mean, they could always bring back Starforce 4.0

03-19-07, 12:56 PM	#15
Spaxspore Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 399 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	only time i had issues with s7 was with titan quest when it first came out. I bought it and for a love of me i kept gettin security module failed to intilized, i was not the only one, soon after THQ released a patch that removed s7 completely __________________ Behold, the Glory of the Sh4 engine..... Morning strole off Tokyo Bay...