Why do the poor have more free time?

[Letum]

Originally Posted by waste gate

the EU average is holding you and your nation back. Another nation is pulling the average down and your nation as a consequence. The creation of the EU has pulled the Netherlands into that race for the bottom that is the hallmark of socialist societies.

Prove it.

There is no significant change since NL joined the EU when one looks at the graph of economic growth for that country.

Originally Posted by waste gate

GDP: $612.7 billion (2006 est.)
Debt: $1.899 trillion (30 June 2006)

Your county's debt is better than three times its income.

More than a little out of context. Most economies have more debt than GDP.



Why, in your opinion, do you think most of Europe has joined the EU?
Do you believe that economists from 27 different countries have all made the same mistake?

Originally Posted by Letum

Prove it.

There is no significant change since NL joined the EU when one looks at the graph of economic growth for that country.

More than a little out of context. Most economies have more debt than GDP.



Why, in your opinion, do you think most of Europe has joined the EU?
Do you believe that economists from 27 different countries have all made the same mistake?

Here is a link to the fact book that Fish used to bolster his argument.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

You can look up the EU countries yourself. Most have a trade surplus so I was mistaken. The Netherlands are pulling the rest down. Sorry Fish.

Regarding economists. Socialist economists will always point towards socialism.
Not your best argument Letum. I feel bad for you.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Here is a link to the fact book that Fish used to bolster his argument.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

You can look up the EU countries yourself. Most have a trade surplus so I was mistaken. The Netherlands are pulling the rest down. Sorry Fish.

Regarding economists. Socialist economists will always point towards socialism.
Not your best argument Letum. I feel bad for you.

1) Who said the economists where socialist?

2) Why do you think is there is no significant change (compared to non EU members of Europe with similar economies) since the NL or the UK (can't find data for other countries atm) joined the EU when one looks at the graph of economic growth for those counties?

*edit* btw, the CIA Factbook is known to be inaccurate. They disagree with the IMF and the World bank on several topics.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Regarding economists. Socialist economists will always point towards socialism.

Socialism is an economic term. If effect, what you have just said is that the economics of socialism produce a socialist economy.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Socialism is an economic term. If effect, what you have just said is that the economics of socialism produce a socialist economy.

My policy is not to respond directly to moderators due to the conflict of inerest they display when they insert themselves into the thread. It's been my experience that nothing good can come of it. I will make a limited exception here and point you to your own signature.

You asked about idle, remote things, but what lay closest to you; that which you needed to know did not occur to you. Now, when I guess it, you go insane: I have won your wily head!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by waste gate

If you think it's OK to redistribute income but repellent to redistribute leisure, you might want to ask yourself what—if anything—is the fundamental difference.

http://www.slate.com/id/2161309/nav/tap1/

Can I ask who came up with these numbers about 36 and 40 hr.s wk? Can I move to that country? Oh wait, I'm in that country. I think this Slate magazine writer is on crack about the office hours spent. All I see from everyone I know is that they are speding 'more' time at the office every single year than they used to. Maybe it is because we are in the skilled group and I don't know too many people who lounge around all day.

This isn't to say that I am not researching ways to move out of the office however. I am thinking I want to play the stock market full time at some point in the future, and I can do that from home.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

I began typing, but will cut it short, since this topic has too many aspects.

Kind of sorry to see this USA economy versus Europe economy topic develop, but then again; we are competitors in the global market, and I say the United States of Europe shouldn't hold back. And that's only putting it short and mildly. With plenty more agressive and competitive guys such as I in Europe (no safety nets), USA, China and India would be mere European colonies

I'm all for a strong Europe - I like a lot of European products and would like many more! Cars for one example. Beer is also high on my list! For electronics though, nothing beats American made electronics - simply the best in the world, but you also pay a premium for it - something I am willing to pay! Not too much comes out of Asian countries that I would consider good though - all garbage except for the occasional Japanese product - but forget China! 99.999% of everything out of CHina = garbage. For South America, etc., I'm not even sure what they are doing down there. Can't remember the last time I saw something from there - except the occasional coke trafficking on the local news channel.

So if I had a vote, I'd vote for European and US economies to continue making their fine products. Anything from anywhere else in the world is pretty much garbage - made on a qty, not a quality scale. Of course, something like a car seems to have more an more Asian parts in it lately. Along the same lines, I have been noticing a general decline of the quality of cars in the last 10 years - coincidence? I think not!

Just my 2 cents.

-S

[XabbaRus]

Could you name the us made electronics? I thought they were all made in China nowadays? :p

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Could you name the us made electronics? I thought they were all made in China nowadays? :p

McIntosh
Fluke
Mark Levinson

To name a few. I mean how many do you want?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I really hate the obscenely rich. They dont pay tax, and they were born into the money they spend. So why tap the poorer people's salaries when there are others who wipe their arse with £50 notes?

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

I really hate the obscenely rich. They dont pay tax, and they were born into the money they spend. So why tap the poorer people's salaries when there are others who wipe their arse with £50 notes?

Why would you hate the 'obscenely' rich? Is it because you are not goal oriented or because you want to bring everyone down to your level? Forbes magazine just recently pulished their list of billionares and most are 'self made' rich.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/07/bil...llie_land.html

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by waste gate

My policy is not to respond directly to moderators due to the conflict of inerest they display when they insert themselves into the thread. It's been my experience that nothing good can come of it. I will make a limited exception here and point you to your own signature.

I am not aruing for or against your position, nor am I embroiled in your discussion. I simply draw your attention to the fact that you are misusing the term 'socialism'. I do it every time someone abuses economic or political terms. If the members are going to argue with such authority, it seems reasonable that they should know what the terms mean.

I shall keep my head, mein freund.

[stabiz]

Gotta stop reading threads started by waste gate.

Originally Posted by stabiz

Gotta stop reading threads started by waste gate.

That's right block out the other opinion. You will grow that way.

I was talking to Neal about this tendancy very recently.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Why would you hate the 'obscenely' rich? Is it because you are not goal oriented or because you want to bring everyone down to your level? Forbes magazine just recently pulished their list of billionares and most are 'self made' rich.

http://www.forbes.com/2007/03/07/bil...llie_land.html

You say "most" are 'self made' rich. I mean the ones who do nothing to earn the wealth they get born into. And no, this has nothing with "bringing everyone down to my level" whatever you think that may be. I am merely saying that those who are born into vast amounts of wealth and do little to earn it are irritating.

And for your information, I am very goal orientated. My goals just arent making astounding amounts of money and sitting on my high horse thinking I'm better than everyone else.