Worried about torpedo impact sensitivity - Page 2

Barkhorn1x · 03-14-07, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Subnuts

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Originally Posted by PAW

Dunno if you guys have seen that long interview with the dev team yet but i swear in one of the shots i saw a torpedo hit the side of a ship at an angle of approx 5 -10 degrees and the torpedo detonated. I wasn't sure if it was a magnetic or impact but from GWX mod (and yes i know they were german torpedoes) if i tried using impact pistols at any angle below 30 degrees i could be sure that they'd just bounce.

Didn't that video show the Battle of Samar? The Mk 14 should detonate 95% of the time at any angle by that time.

Very true - and that was in October of '44 - more than a year after all issues were identified and fixed.

fire-fox · 03-15-07, 02:46 AM

plus the magnetic exploders where all hand crafted for each individuel torpedo and there for parts could not be swopet easaly if thay where found to be folty, also the magnettic exploders where also "configured" for the magnetic feald at the torpedo factorys and thay where not alowed to "ajust" them any where from the factory's to theme hitting the targets, which wood have corsed a huge ammount of the prematures that where incounted after fireing.

nattydread · 03-15-07, 04:17 AM

Well i used to plot, plot, plot and use my calculator to set up near perfect 90 deg hits in SH3. I liked to believe it helped in minimizing duds, but if you dont like doing all that in SH4 you may be in luck. US torps actually had problems initially if you did impact the torp at or near 90 degs...so those not so perfect impact angles should come in handy now.

Snakeeyes · 03-15-07, 10:10 AM

One thing I'm going to miss jumping from SHIII to IV is the better German torpedoes.

I was wondering if anyone knew when during the war (or IF for that matter) American torpedoes went "wakeless." It' s a big advantage to not have a streaming wake of bubbles leading a destroyer back to me.

Torpedoes will be the number one hardest aspect for me to get used to switching to IV, especially now NOT trying to hit a target at 90 degrees. It's why I'm studying up on angle recognition now (see sepparate thread).

Barkhorn1x · 03-15-07, 11:32 AM

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Starting in mid-1943, the gradual introduction of the Mark XVIII electric torpedo into the theater brought substantial relief from the persistent torpedo shortages of the early war years. Although slower than the Mark XIV by 10 to 15 knots and somewhat limited in range, the Mark XVIII left no tell-tale wake that could give away a submarine's position, and it was much easier to manufacture in quantity. By the middle of 1944, when all their teething problems had been solved, Mark XVIII torpedoes constituted three-quarters of the standard patrol load-out.

From here:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...12/rising.html

Sailor Steve · 03-16-07, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeyes

One thing I'm going to miss jumping from SHIII to IV is the better German torpedoes.

I was wondering if anyone knew when during the war (or IF for that matter) American torpedoes went "wakeless." It' s a big advantage to not have a streaming wake of bubbles leading a destroyer back to me.

Torpedoes will be the number one hardest aspect for me to get used to switching to IV, especially now NOT trying to hit a target at 90 degrees. It's why I'm studying up on angle recognition now (see sepparate thread).

Yes, the Americans did start experimenting with electric torpedoes in late 1943.

As for the 90 degree thing, one of the hardest points to recreate historically is the fact that US skippers WERE trained to shoot at exactly 90 degrees, and they had no idea that that was part of the problem. After Admiral Lockwood and then the Torpedo Test Facility ran tests by dropping them directly onto concrete test pads, they started designing a new impact pistol, but also advised sub skippers to not shoot at 90 degrees. The skippers had a real problem with that order, as it went against all their previous training.

So if you want to be realistic you'll have to force yourself to keep shooting at 90 degrees until the end of 1943. Good luck!:rotfl:

OneTinSoldier · 03-16-07, 11:19 AM

This issue sounds like quite a quandary.

I know I've been trained and ingrained by SHIII to fire as close to 90 degrees as I can when using impact pistols! :hmm:

BellJack95 · 03-16-07, 11:38 AM

I found an interesting article concerning US torpedoes. Below is a link to that article. The article recaps the different torpedoes and discusses all the problems that plagued the early commanders in the Pacific (1941 to late 1943). Of particular note I found two keys items:

1. The TDC device was designed for the Mark 14 and later model torpedoes and the TDC was only fitted in Fleet boats (the S class was too small for a TDC).

2. S boats only carried Mark 10 torpedoes (this type only used a contact exploder).

http://www.fleetsubmarine.com/torpedoes.html

So, perhaps when playing Silent Hunter 4 in a early campaign a person may have a easier time engaging and sinking the enemy by using the old S boats (using the old Mark 10 torpedo with a contact exploder), instead of a Fleet boat that has the TDC and defective Mark 14 torpedoes.

03-15-07, 02:46 AM	#17
fire-fox Chief Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Peoples Republic of West Yorkshire Posts: 326 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	plus the magnetic exploders where all hand crafted for each individuel torpedo and there for parts could not be swopet easaly if thay where found to be folty, also the magnettic exploders where also "configured" for the magnetic feald at the torpedo factorys and thay where not alowed to "ajust" them any where from the factory's to theme hitting the targets, which wood have corsed a huge ammount of the prematures that where incounted after fireing. __________________ Running subs aground since SH1 and Silent Service Running SH5 @ 100% difficulty + TWoS 2.2.19(RealNav + BDU + port smoke + food) + Carotio_IntercontinentalRadioPack tweaked + The Little Ships of SH5 - Coaster Pack

03-15-07, 10:10 AM	#19
Snakeeyes Captain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: trailing 1400 yards behind an Oscar-II with my outer doors open Posts: 488 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	One thing I'm going to miss jumping from SHIII to IV is the better German torpedoes. I was wondering if anyone knew when during the war (or IF for that matter) American torpedoes went "wakeless." It' s a big advantage to not have a streaming wake of bubbles leading a destroyer back to me. Torpedoes will be the number one hardest aspect for me to get used to switching to IV, especially now NOT trying to hit a target at 90 degrees. It's why I'm studying up on angle recognition now (see sepparate thread). __________________ -- "There's little room in Tupolev's heart for anyone but Tupolev."

03-16-07, 11:19 AM	#22
OneTinSoldier Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver, CO USA Posts: 382 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	This issue sounds like quite a quandary. I know I've been trained and ingrained by SHIII to fire as close to 90 degrees as I can when using impact pistols! :hmm: __________________ "Variable this is EasyRhino, do you copy? Over." Loud and clear EasyRhino. "Do we have a gig? Over." That's a Roger, we have a gig. Target is painted, start the music. "Roger that Variable. Into attack. Pickling target. Target is acquired and lit. LGB comin' down!" EasyRhino, circular error probability zero. Impact with High Order Detonation. Thank You, have a nice day.

03-15-07, 04:17 AM	#18
nattydread Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 498 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Well i used to plot, plot, plot and use my calculator to set up near perfect 90 deg hits in SH3. I liked to believe it helped in minimizing duds, but if you dont like doing all that in SH4 you may be in luck. US torps actually had problems initially if you did impact the torp at or near 90 degs...so those not so perfect impact angles should come in handy now.

03-16-07, 11:38 AM	#23
BellJack95 Bosun Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tennessee, USA Posts: 67 Downloads: 149 Uploads: 0	I found an interesting article concerning US torpedoes. Below is a link to that article. The article recaps the different torpedoes and discusses all the problems that plagued the early commanders in the Pacific (1941 to late 1943). Of particular note I found two keys items: 1. The TDC device was designed for the Mark 14 and later model torpedoes and the TDC was only fitted in Fleet boats (the S class was too small for a TDC). 2. S boats only carried Mark 10 torpedoes (this type only used a contact exploder). http://www.fleetsubmarine.com/torpedoes.html So, perhaps when playing Silent Hunter 4 in a early campaign a person may have a easier time engaging and sinking the enemy by using the old S boats (using the old Mark 10 torpedo with a contact exploder), instead of a Fleet boat that has the TDC and defective Mark 14 torpedoes.