US Department of Transportation bans Vista

Dowly · 03-10-07, 11:29 AM

Haha, good advertisement for M$. :rotfl:

http://government.zdnet.com/?p=2971

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The United States Department of Transportation (DOT) has banned its users from installing Microsoft’s new Windows Vista, Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 7 software packages, saying there was no business or technical justification for the upgrades.

“Based on our initial analysis (from internal recommendations and analysis performed by Gartner Group), there appears to be no compelling technical or business case for upgrading to these new Microsoft software products,” the department’s chief information officer Daniel Mintz wrote in a memorandum dated 19 January, 2007.The CIO added there were specific reasons not to upgrade to the new software. These included the cost of the move (including hardware/software costs and labour), as well as compatibility concerns between Office 2007 and previous versions, primarily revolving around Microsoft Word.

Also, Mintz noted available funding was limited, and IT staff had already committed their time to the pending move of DOT’s headquarters to a new building.Mintz will issue a follow-up memorandum within 180 days from 19 January that would articulate his department’s strategic desktop and laptop technology roadmap.

DOT is a large department within the US government responsible for the country’s transportation network, including railway, aviation, road and maritime transport. It has around 55,000 staff.

Skybird · 03-10-07, 04:22 PM

More of this. If vista becomes a very hurting failure for MS, certain questionable practices and idiotic design philosophies may get thought over for the next Windows generation. I hope Vista does as much damage as possible to MS. It would also strengthen the stand of alternative OS, which probably would be used by more of us if it would be easier and knowledge spreads how to make existing software compatible with these. The market-ruling monopole-like position of MS is not good for the customers.

Dowly · 03-10-07, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The market-ruling monopole-like position of MS is not good for the customers.

Agreed. Any sort of monopoly is bad for the customers. The boardgame is kinda fun, tho. :hmm:

kiwi_2005 · 03-10-07, 05:57 PM

Why is MS holding Directx10, every directx was freely available for DL, now DX10 will only come with Vista? I think we all know why. Gamers will need DX10 later on when games require you have it. So either we will have to buy vista or hope MS make DX10 available for DL for winxp users

Sry going of topic here.

bradclark1 · 03-10-07, 06:00 PM

MS will just find a way to force the change. They have changed the EULA before to force an issue.

Skybird · 03-10-07, 06:22 PM

I am glad to report that my interest in new sims and games more and more dies out. It will be no big sacrifice for me to switch to another OS one day, or maybe even ban PCs completely from my house. A laptop for word proecessing and chess, and my dozen chess board computers is all I really would not miss anymore. I become more and more aware of the many negative consequences and dependencies global connectivity and the spreading of PCs in private life creates. It has benefits, yes. but as always before in history, progress also is gained at a cost, aprice that has to be payed. amongst others, growing vulnerability, dependency, a change from quality to quantity in the widest contexts. It gives comfortability to some actions we might wish to do via computer, but it also limits our perception, and the way of mental problem solving. It creates blueprints and shemes our brains must follow in order to make best use of these new gimmicks. It chnages the way we see our world, life, ourselves. It even changes our understanding of values, sense and meaning, worthless vs worthy. For some people, reality was what was to be seen on TV in the past. Today, reality is what is on the web. And if it is not on the web, it is not real.

Neil Postman: Amusing ourselves to death. An older book, but a classic. Thoughts that are more needed than ever.

leeclose · 03-10-07, 08:30 PM

Well i have heard nothing but bad news about vista a very good friend of mines has recently forked out the 200gbp for it and wow did he have probs with it in the end he switched back to XP pro. Also he sent vista back and got his money back which he invested in a really good pair of TFT monitors so i'm afraid i aint going vista for a long time

Neptunus Rex · 03-10-07, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I am glad to report that my interest in new sims and games more and more dies out. It will be no big sacrifice for me to switch to another OS one day, or maybe even ban PCs completely from my house. A laptop for word proecessing and chess, and my dozen chess board computers is all I really would not miss anymore. I become more and more aware of the many negative consequences and dependencies global connectivity and the spreading of PCs in private life creates. It has benefits, yes. but as always before in history, progress also is gained at a cost, aprice that has to be payed. amongst others, growing vulnerability, dependency, a change from quality to quantity in the widest contexts. It gives comfortability to some actions we might wish to do via computer, but it also limits our perception, and the way of mental problem solving. It creates blueprints and shemes our brains must follow in order to make best use of these new gimmicks. It chnages the way we see our world, life, ourselves. It even changes our understanding of values, sense and meaning, worthless vs worthy. For some people, reality was what was to be seen on TV in the past. Today, reality is what is on the web. And if it is not on the web, it is not real.

Neil Postman: Amusing ourselves to death. An older book, but a classic. Thoughts that are more needed than ever.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that someone (many someone's) said the same thing about type printed books in Europe about 300 or so years ago.

leeclose · 03-10-07, 10:08 PM

I'm glad that i liek to read proper paper books i seee many friends reading of there laptops bugger that glad my kid is a avid reader as well so much for the tech age

Iceman · 03-10-07, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Why is MS holding Directx10, every directx was freely available for DL, now DX10 will only come with Vista? I think we all know why. Gamers will need DX10 later on when games require you have it. So either we will have to buy vista or hope MS make DX10 available for DL for winxp users

Sry going of topic here.

Not off topic great observation..I am getting asked by customers about this OS and I don't know what to tell them but most already are leary and say like most new stuff they will wait a while the until the bugs rear they're heads.

The Avon Lady · 03-11-07, 01:42 AM

I believe Vista is the foundation for maximizing audio and visual possibilities over the next several years.

Hints: DX10, 64 bit support.

It is naive to think that MS wasted all this time just for a prettier face. Stay tuned.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The market-ruling monopole-like position of MS is not good for the customers.

The fact of the matter is that no one has yet come up with a better mousetrap. Is Linux the answer? Not yet and I have my doubts if it ever will be. So that leaves us with who else exactly? :hmm: There's the possibility of Web apps but they have major minuses for heavy duty business customers. There are limits.

Too much whining. WinXP has been a big improvement for myself personally and for the office, over prior Windows versions.

Like everyone is saying, they need to get the kinks out of Vista. This should coincide with a slew of new hardware and software products that will wow us just as prior generations of these products did in their time.

But if you're satisfied with playing Space Invaders, no problemo.

Skybird · 03-11-07, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Neptunus Rex

I seem to recall reading somewhere that someone (many someone's) said the same thing about type printed books in Europe about 300 or so years ago.

Pah. You are exaggerating. I wonder why.

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Originally Posted by leeclose

I'm glad that i liek to read proper paper books i seee many friends reading of there laptops bugger that glad my kid is a avid reader as well so much for the tech age

No laptop and now hitech gadget displaying a novel on it's screen can rival to read that novel ink-on-paper in your relaxation chair. Going technical on every detail, at all costs, is no real progress, but headless hectic. It may help office work, okay: I wouldn't like to change a word processing software for an old mechanical typewriter, too. But keep the trend to where it belongs.

Linton · 03-11-07, 06:32 PM

Vista is rubbish and not worth the money.I was expecting a gold plated version of XP pro amd I got a quirky gimmick.I could rant for hours about how I feel about it if I had the time,I think that it will be a flop.

leeclose · 03-11-07, 06:34 PM

seems to be the general feelin glinton for some reason ive yet to here a real good word about it

bookworm_020 · 03-11-07, 06:53 PM

I'll be sticking to XP for awhile. It will take a year for enough software and support services to get up to speed.

Back on Topic, So the U.S. department of transportation isn't going to Vista, City Rail in Sydney is still on Windows NT!!!

03-10-07, 04:22 PM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	More of this. If vista becomes a very hurting failure for MS, certain questionable practices and idiotic design philosophies may get thought over for the next Windows generation. I hope Vista does as much damage as possible to MS. It would also strengthen the stand of alternative OS, which probably would be used by more of us if it would be easier and knowledge spreads how to make existing software compatible with these. The market-ruling monopole-like position of MS is not good for the customers. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Why is MS holding Directx10, every directx was freely available for DL, now DX10 will only come with Vista? I think we all know why. Gamers will need DX10 later on when games require you have it. So either we will have to buy vista or hope MS make DX10 available for DL for winxp users Sry going of topic here. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others. Last edited by kiwi_2005; 03-10-07 at 06:08 PM.

03-10-07, 06:22 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I am glad to report that my interest in new sims and games more and more dies out. It will be no big sacrifice for me to switch to another OS one day, or maybe even ban PCs completely from my house. A laptop for word proecessing and chess, and my dozen chess board computers is all I really would not miss anymore. I become more and more aware of the many negative consequences and dependencies global connectivity and the spreading of PCs in private life creates. It has benefits, yes. but as always before in history, progress also is gained at a cost, aprice that has to be payed. amongst others, growing vulnerability, dependency, a change from quality to quantity in the widest contexts. It gives comfortability to some actions we might wish to do via computer, but it also limits our perception, and the way of mental problem solving. It creates blueprints and shemes our brains must follow in order to make best use of these new gimmicks. It chnages the way we see our world, life, ourselves. It even changes our understanding of values, sense and meaning, worthless vs worthy. For some people, reality was what was to be seen on TV in the past. Today, reality is what is on the web. And if it is not on the web, it is not real. Neil Postman: Amusing ourselves to death. An older book, but a classic. Thoughts that are more needed than ever. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-10-07, 08:30 PM	#7
leeclose Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 879 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well i have heard nothing but bad news about vista a very good friend of mines has recently forked out the 200gbp for it and wow did he have probs with it in the end he switched back to XP pro. Also he sent vista back and got his money back which he invested in a really good pair of TFT monitors so i'm afraid i aint going vista for a long time __________________ “There are only two kinds of naval vessels - submarines, and targets.” Uber-Boot Dev Team

03-10-07, 10:08 PM	#9
leeclose Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 879 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm glad that i liek to read proper paper books i seee many friends reading of there laptops bugger that glad my kid is a avid reader as well so much for the tech age __________________ “There are only two kinds of naval vessels - submarines, and targets.” Uber-Boot Dev Team

03-10-07, 06:00 PM	#5
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	MS will just find a way to force the change. They have changed the EULA before to force an issue.

03-11-07, 06:32 PM	#13
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Vista is rubbish and not worth the money.I was expecting a gold plated version of XP pro amd I got a quirky gimmick.I could rant for hours about how I feel about it if I had the time,I think that it will be a flop. __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

03-11-07, 06:34 PM	#14
leeclose Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 879 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	seems to be the general feelin glinton for some reason ive yet to here a real good word about it __________________ “There are only two kinds of naval vessels - submarines, and targets.” Uber-Boot Dev Team

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bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I'll be sticking to XP for awhile. It will take a year for enough software and support services to get up to speed. Back on Topic, So the U.S. department of transportation isn't going to Vista, City Rail in Sydney is still on Windows NT!!! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"