Excited/ dissapointed it will be PTO?

[Subnuts]

Originally Posted by cmdrk

Well... at least the side that won. Then, the victors get to write the history and thus the winners are the good guys.

But the losers get to make better movies about it!

[cmdrk]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

But the losers get to make better movies about it!

Yes. More drama and tragedy. The heroic effort against the odds.

[djdemo]

Originally Posted by CheckSix

no milch cows
no regular convoys

No, but the yanks had sub tenders.

no wolfpacks

The US employed wolfpacks from 1943 onwards with good sucess - although not in the same numbers as the Germans, the Americans were initially worried about blue on blue if they worked together, and pre-war, the US subs trained to sail from Pearl for decisive battle at the Philippines - but Wolf Packs did feature later in the war.

no advanced asw weapons (hedgehog, squid, foxers etc.)

The Japanese did deploy some good destroyers, but obviously the 50 US boats sunk doesn't compare to the numbers of Germans sunk in the Atlantic...

no advanced asw techniques

The Japanese did develop MAD (Magnetic Anomaly Detectors) and got quite good at the techniques of locaing subs and attacking from the air... but only in small numbers around Japan, but might be something.

no homing or pattern running torps

No, but you get the fantastic Mk 14 torpedo that runs too deep and has a broken magnetic exploder and is not fixed and fully functioning until 1943! But the Yanks do get some interesting torpedoes towards the end of the war. Sadly there were no Japanese marus left at this point!

no enemy airborne radar

True, but there were MAD planes deployed...


But don't be down too much - the first bit of the war until April 1942 (when the Gatos arrive) will be a tense battle, especially if you take a crappy S-boat out of Manila Bay or Fremantle during the big battles of Northern Australia.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Originally Posted by CheckSix

no milch cows
no regular convoys

Wrong the Japanise had many regular convoys but not as large as the Alies had in the atlantic.

no wolfpacks

The US employed wolfpacks from 1943 onwards with good sucess - although not in the same numbers as the Germans, the Americans were initially worried about blue on blue if they worked together, and pre-war, the US subs trained to sail from Pearl for decisive battle at the Philippines - but Wolf Packs did feature later in the war.

no advanced asw weapons (hedgehog, squid, foxers etc.)

In Oct. 1945 the USS Barb experinced a pattern of splashes overhead and several explosens aft. It is still unshure what they where(hedghog,sonobomb?)

no advanced asw techniques

No but Groups of escorts and and HK Groups did make some prity nifty ideas(keeping the sub in the middle of a circle ex. Trigger)

no homing or pattern running torps

The Mk. 27 "Cutie" Torpedo was used as a escort killerand could be fired from evaision depth. The Mk. 27 was modifide from the Mk. 24 FIDO ASW torpedo(airdroped)

no enemy airborne radar

If you read "Clear The Brige" and "Thunder Below" you will find that the Japinies deployed airborn radar from late 44 early 45 onward.

What you state are many of the sterotypes of the pacfic war.

[CheckSix]

Originally Posted by CheckSix

NO MINIATURE SUBS.

Wrong!
Japanese heavy cruiser "Takao", laying off Singapore in the Johore Straits, was sunk by RN midget submarines "XE-1" and "XE-3" on the night of the 30th/31st July 1945. Released by towing submarines "Spark" and "Stygian" they managed to reach the cruiser to drop their charges. ("XE-3" was almost trapped beneath the hull of "Takao" on a falling tide.) Other XE craft cut or damaged the undersea telephone cables off Saigon, Indo-China and Hong Kong at this time. Crew of "XE-3" were awarded the Victoria Cross.

[dbf574]

Originally Posted by Threadfin

Those boats were Darter and Dace. Darter attacked first and sank Kurita's flagship CA Atago. Darter also damaged CA Takao. Dace attacked next and sank CA Maya....

One important thing to remember is that the American version of the 'wolf-pack' was to have the boats "staggered" so that as the units that were attacked continued on, there would be another boat waiting for them to attack and there may be another. But in no way was it a massive onslaught of many boats within the same area (where the chance of 'friendly fire' could have been possible).

Another thread mentioned something about Japan invading Hawaii (or something to that effect), what needs to be remembered is that the ONLY reason Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was to destroy the fleet that they felt would threaten their plan of a "Sphere of Influence" in the far east. They did not want us to interfere with that plan... they didn't want any part of us at all... just out of the way And Midway was just another attempt to protect that plan by providing a threat to the US fleet if they chose to go west (fortunately (for us), it had hurt the Imperial Navy).

But I'm glad that SHIV will be set in the Pacific... change is good for the soul (Just imagine, SHIII and SHIV on your computer... hog heaven:rotfl: )

[dean_acheson]

I am very excited about the Pacific Sim, it has been years and years since SHI, and the chance to play a WWII Subsim as something other than a member of the Kreigsmarine is something that I look forward too.

Just because the U.S. didn't lose, doesn't make it any less interesting. I am sure that there will be ample opportunities to sneak in to Manila or Tokyo bay and get yourself destroyed.

Also, finally getting to take part in a fleet action will be interesting, something that didn't really happen in the Atlantic very often, at least not in Midway type numbers.

I look forward to using a PPI scope.

I look forward to doing some lifegaurding.

I look forward to filling up my boat in Midway.

I look forward to being in a S-Boat in early '42 based out of the Phillipines and taking on the Japanese invasion forces.

I look forward to stalking Japanese convoys in shallow waters in SE Asia in '44.

I look forward to naming all the guys in my crew after my friends so they seem more life like, and not goofy, which is the effect when you are from the mid-west and are commanding a VII boat.

I love the Battle of the Atlantic, but I find the one in the Pacific just as interesting, and moreso after '43. After that time, it was alot closer to a fair fight.....

That is just my worthless .02, and I have loved the fleet boats since I was a little kid, so my change is really biased.

[CCIP]

Hey, your bias is just fine. I've never even so much as stepped on American soil, but I love the fleet boats and playing for Americans - my first subsim (Silent Service II) was PTO after all!

I love the boats and I love the nature of the operations. Even just hunting in shallow water off exotic islands should give everyone a real run for their money

[trenken]

Being from the lovely state of New Jersey , I'm excited that I get to head out in an American sub.

[Boris]

I'm actually finding myself feeling glad that SH4 is Pacific and not Atlantic again.

[JSF]

Originally Posted by trenken

Being from the lovely state of New Jersey , I'm excited that I get to head out in an American sub.

Ditto!!!...except the New Jersey part....I'm from New Orleans.

fyi...Manitowoc boats were barged down the muddy Mississip to Algiers Naval Support Facility, Algiers Landing, New Orleans. Here they were fitout with crew and supplies including warshots. Set free from the barges they proceeded to the warzone via the Panama Canal.

[Iron Budokan]

I'm looking forward to it....

[DS]

I agree. I much prefer the variety of the missions in the Pacific, as well as the fleet boats of the U.S. Navy.

[AirborneTD]

"Ditto"

[corvette k225]

For me it will allways be NAO or SAO my thinking is sales for SHIV will less than SHIII, because of world wide sales, When you think of subs of WWII most people think of German u-boats! Lets hope we see SHV, U -boat of the north atlantic, If we get a SHV it will be around 2008 in the fall. I hope!!!!