GWX and No Fatigue

Iron Budokan · 02-06-07, 10:13 PM

Does GWX work with SH3 Commander's no fatigue? Thanks, guys!

JScones · 02-06-07, 11:03 PM

Yes.

Mush Martin · 02-06-07, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

Does GWX work with SH3 Commander's no fatigue? Thanks, guys!

It should assuming your commander is up to date.
MM

TarJak · 02-07-07, 02:37 AM

Sure does! I'm a big fan of letting my NCO's look after the sleeping arrangements. I drafted the watch bill and let them run it. I don't go running around shaking bunks to get people working with the exception of that lazy good for nothing Watch Officer who dives into his rack as soon as we submerge and won't come out unless I go get him.

Ducimus · 02-07-07, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

Sure does! I'm a big fan of letting my NCO's look after the sleeping arrangements. I drafted the watch bill and let them run it. I don't go running around shaking bunks to get people working with the exception of that lazy good for nothing Watch Officer who dives into his rack as soon as we submerge and won't come out unless I go get him.

Couldnt have said it better myself. Delegation is a wonderful thing.

jasonsagert · 02-07-07, 04:10 AM

I know this is going beyond answering Iron Budokans' question, but I have to give my opinion.

I agree that the whole fatigue model in SH3 is messed up, but I also feel that it's strange to play without it. And I actually enjoy the added issue when things get crazy. But I hate dealing with it when I'm cruising around. My solution; drop the 3D model down to 16x with SH3 commander and play with the stock GWX fatigue.

This solution, I feel, allows fatigue to become an issue (which it should be), but not the overwhelming issue that it was. Plus, you no longer have to manage your crew unless you're at less than 32X in attack or getting attacked.--which makes the experience more fun for me.

Whatever--enjoy the game however you want

J

Ducimus · 02-07-07, 04:47 AM

If you could set up acutal crew watchs that auto rotate based on a schedule you set, i'd use fatigue anytime. I don't like not having crew management an issue, but i hate micromanaging them even more. "Lemmings in das boot" is not the game i like to play.

Abd_von_Mumit · 02-07-07, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jasonsagert

I know this is going beyond answering Iron Budokans' question, but I have to give my opinion.

I agree that the whole fatigue model in SH3 is messed up, but I also feel that it's strange to play without it. And I actually enjoy the added issue when things get crazy. But I hate dealing with it when I'm cruising around. My solution; drop the 3D model down to 16x with SH3 commander and play with the stock GWX fatigue.

This solution, I feel, allows fatigue to become an issue (which it should be), but not the overwhelming issue that it was. Plus, you no longer have to manage your crew unless you're at less than 32X in attack or getting attacked.--which makes the experience more fun for me.

That's exactly what I feel about crew fatigue. However it's temptating to switch it off, as it's boring to manage them when just sailing and nothing happens, it would be even more boring to have them all rested and full of energy after a long battle, surface night attack or several ours of heavy depth charging and making tons of repairs. Though my crew performs very well when starting to reload torpedoes, after reloading a few of them they don't perform so well any more - the efficiency bar starts getting lower and lower and nothing could stop it. So before I reload my last external torpedo while at lower than 32xTC, my torpedo men are almost dead. And I must always take it to consideration... especially when close to the enemy. It gives me much joy, as I feel like I coped with that problem in real.

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

If you could set up acutal crew watchs that auto rotate based on a schedule you set, i'd use fatigue anytime. I don't like not having crew management an issue, but i hate micromanaging them even more. "Lemmings in das boot" is not the game i like to play.

And that's probably how it is to be in SH4. From the short Neal Steven's review of the game I found that it's the crew management that is going to be reworked totally. You've got shift there, men that can take care of themselves, work/sleep/rest when it's time for it and fight when you call them to. Too bad it cannot be modded like that in SH3.

Jimbuna · 02-07-07, 07:28 AM

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I agree that the whole fatigue model in SH3 is messed up, but I also feel that it's strange to play without it. And I actually enjoy the added issue when things get crazy.

Totally agree

...So I use the 8 hour option cos I find it just about right

Mind you I like what I'm hearing about the crew management in SH4

Iron Budokan · 02-07-07, 01:24 PM

I also like what I'm hearing about crew management in SH4.

I agree a non-fatigue model just doesn't work for me, either. I couldn't go to that. There was a vitiman mod out a while back, I had used that a while and liked the results.

Ducimus · 02-07-07, 05:10 PM

Ive often thought about fatigue in a total different way. One thing that isnt modeled is consumables. You know... food. Boats couldnt stay out there forever. Food, fuel and crew's long term health dictated patrol length. In the past i was fiddeling with a "fatigue as food" concept but shelved it.

Essentually crews slowly drained faigue over a long period of time that couldnt be "rested" back. I had it timed out to where the little red exlcimation point came up at 60, 70, or 90 days depending on variable i used. Basically at that point your crew's all drinking "uboat special cocktails". The hole in the concept was, that crew in the rest compartments didnt lose fatigue. Didnt gain any back, but didnt lose any either. Thats why i shelved it.

Sailor Steve · 02-07-07, 05:11 PM

That's exactly the way RUB did it long ago. Everybody complained.

Corsair · 02-08-07, 05:28 AM

I didn't...

Played RUB a long time and found their fatigue concept was great.

Iron Budokan · 02-08-07, 02:04 PM

I downloaded RUB a while back but never tried it and doubt I will now. It would have to be a very good mod to make me turn away from GWX.

I understood what the modder was trying to do with the fatigue in RUB, but it didn't really come off from what I heard. Although there are people out there who still swear by it...

Sailor Steve · 02-08-07, 06:28 PM

RUB was the best supermod out there...a year ago. It has been superceded. I never used all of it; I pick and choose bits and pieces I like. My favorite thing about RUB was how easy that was-they listed every single change they made and what files it affected.

02-06-07, 10:13 PM	#1
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	GWX and No Fatigue Does GWX work with SH3 Commander's no fatigue? Thanks, guys! __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-07-07, 01:24 PM	#10
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I also like what I'm hearing about crew management in SH4. I agree a non-fatigue model just doesn't work for me, either. I couldn't go to that. There was a vitiman mod out a while back, I had used that a while and liked the results. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-07-07, 05:11 PM	#12
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	That's exactly the way RUB did it long ago. Everybody complained. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-08-07, 05:28 AM	#13
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	I didn't... Played RUB a long time and found their fatigue concept was great. __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

02-08-07, 02:04 PM	#14
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I downloaded RUB a while back but never tried it and doubt I will now. It would have to be a very good mod to make me turn away from GWX. I understood what the modder was trying to do with the fatigue in RUB, but it didn't really come off from what I heard. Although there are people out there who still swear by it... __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-06-07, 11:03 PM	#2
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Yes.

02-07-07, 02:37 AM	#4
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Sure does! I'm a big fan of letting my NCO's look after the sleeping arrangements. I drafted the watch bill and let them run it. I don't go running around shaking bunks to get people working with the exception of that lazy good for nothing Watch Officer who dives into his rack as soon as we submerge and won't come out unless I go get him.

02-07-07, 04:10 AM	#6
jasonsagert Torpedoman Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 113 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I know this is going beyond answering Iron Budokans' question, but I have to give my opinion. I agree that the whole fatigue model in SH3 is messed up, but I also feel that it's strange to play without it. And I actually enjoy the added issue when things get crazy. But I hate dealing with it when I'm cruising around. My solution; drop the 3D model down to 16x with SH3 commander and play with the stock GWX fatigue. This solution, I feel, allows fatigue to become an issue (which it should be), but not the overwhelming issue that it was. Plus, you no longer have to manage your crew unless you're at less than 32X in attack or getting attacked.--which makes the experience more fun for me. Whatever--enjoy the game however you want J

02-07-07, 04:47 AM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	If you could set up acutal crew watchs that auto rotate based on a schedule you set, i'd use fatigue anytime. I don't like not having crew management an issue, but i hate micromanaging them even more. "Lemmings in das boot" is not the game i like to play.

02-07-07, 05:10 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Ive often thought about fatigue in a total different way. One thing that isnt modeled is consumables. You know... food. Boats couldnt stay out there forever. Food, fuel and crew's long term health dictated patrol length. In the past i was fiddeling with a "fatigue as food" concept but shelved it. Essentually crews slowly drained faigue over a long period of time that couldnt be "rested" back. I had it timed out to where the little red exlcimation point came up at 60, 70, or 90 days depending on variable i used. Basically at that point your crew's all drinking "uboat special cocktails". The hole in the concept was, that crew in the rest compartments didnt lose fatigue. Didnt gain any back, but didnt lose any either. Thats why i shelved it.

02-08-07, 06:28 PM	#15
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	RUB was the best supermod out there...a year ago. It has been superceded. I never used all of it; I pick and choose bits and pieces I like. My favorite thing about RUB was how easy that was-they listed every single change they made and what files it affected. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo