Thoughts on torpedo failure

iambecomelife · 01-30-07, 11:53 PM

While reading one of the game previews I noticed commentary on the problem with American torpedoes' firing pins - the developers confirmed that, just like in real life, torpedos that strike a glancing blow will be more likely to explode than those that hit perpendicular to the target. In my opinion the average player will have something of an ahistorical advantage since unlike the typical commander of the era we already know how to get around this problem (in part). What would you think of a mod that makes all torpedo angles equally likely to fail early in the war? Perhaps by late 1942-early 1943 we could re-implement the default detonation probability, in order to represent word getting around about how to aim your torps. I bet this is not going to be popular with everyone - just a thought...:hmm:

codmander · 01-30-07, 11:56 PM

usa torps had some massive problems which probly cost a few sub mariners their skin

bookworm_020 · 01-31-07, 12:48 AM

It also saved many japanese ships from being sunk in the first two years of the war. There were reports of mechants being drydock and haveing two or three un exploded torpedos sticking out of there hulls!

I'm suprised that the crews didn't mutiny!

Finback · 01-31-07, 01:49 AM

I think that mod idea is great! Most likely will regret that I admitted it though :hmm: .

Hopefully, the Mark X torpedos will be less prone to duds than the XIV's. Another good reason to have the old S Class boats in the game.

THE_MASK · 01-31-07, 02:00 AM

I want realism damn it . If i choose to start my career early and get my arse kicked for not sinking anything because of torp failure then so be it . If you dont like torp failures then untick the box that will say (tick for realistic torp failures) like SH3 .

realistic

StandingCow · 01-31-07, 02:52 AM

How were US torps vs Uboat torps for their time? More or less duds?

fire-fox · 01-31-07, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by StandingCow

How were US torps vs Uboat torps for their time? More or less duds?

well for a start the the US trigers in the MK XIV was going to be saw good that it was never tested, and still dever got propper test till about mid-1943!!!! but it had more buges that a bad install of Window 95. with the whourst (in my opinone) being that a impact of @ 10` +/- whould corse the fireing pin to be crushed before it could set of the warhead. saw all the effort that was used by the crew to get that perfect 0` AOB shot never payed off.

PS sorry for the crap spelling

Barkhorn1x · 01-31-07, 09:07 AM

Articles on line giving you all the detail you could want:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/1592/ustorp1.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/1592/ustorp2.htm

Barkhorn.

fire-fox · 01-31-07, 09:50 AM

a secound major folt (dont think thay'll put this in SH4) was where there would be a water splash as the torpedo hit the target and may be the detonator worked but did not triger the main charge, resulting in miner hull damage and the belife (from inexpereasd crews) that the torpedo worked but it didnt.

Sailor Steve · 01-31-07, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

It also saved many japanese ships from being sunk in the first two years of the war. There were reports of mechants being drydock and haveing two or three un exploded torpedos sticking out of there hulls!

I'm suprised that the crews didn't mutiny!

That strikes me as odd, simply because I was reading the Japanese merchant records and came across one instance of a dud torpedo that made a big enough hole that the ship sank anyway.

NEON DEON · 02-01-07, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkhorn1x

Articles on line giving you all the detail you could want:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/1592/ustorp1.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/1592/ustorp2.htm

Barkhorn.

Thanks Barkhorn. That was a great read.

Crosseye76 · 03-10-07, 04:21 AM

A great read. It even mentions that the same series of problems also dogged the Germans early in the war.

Jimbuna · 03-10-07, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sober

I want realism damn it . If i choose to start my career early and get my arse kicked for not sinking anything because of torp failure then so be it . If you dont like torp failures then untick the box that will say (tick for realistic torp failures) like SH3 .

realistic

AMEN!!

marky · 03-11-07, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

I want realism damn it . If i choose to start my career early and get my arse kicked for not sinking anything because of torp failure then so be it . If you dont like torp failures then untick the box that will say (tick for realistic torp failures) like SH3 .

realistic

AGRREEED!!!

live with it!

offset the MK14 failures by-

1. fire spreads of 2 or 3 fish
2. set at 1 foot depth to avoid depth malfunction
3. use contact fuse only
4. use ur gun duhh

marky · 03-11-07, 09:47 PM

guys if u dot want torp failures then dont play the game, its war, it appens, get ovedr it

dont freakin cheat

its almost as if ur dishonoring the guys who served in subs just by saying u want a mod to get around it

my god...

01-30-07, 11:53 PM	#1
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,709 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	Thoughts on torpedo failure While reading one of the game previews I noticed commentary on the problem with American torpedoes' firing pins - the developers confirmed that, just like in real life, torpedos that strike a glancing blow will be more likely to explode than those that hit perpendicular to the target. In my opinion the average player will have something of an ahistorical advantage since unlike the typical commander of the era we already know how to get around this problem (in part). What would you think of a mod that makes all torpedo angles equally likely to fail early in the war? Perhaps by late 1942-early 1943 we could re-implement the default detonation probability, in order to represent word getting around about how to aim your torps. I bet this is not going to be popular with everyone - just a thought...:hmm: __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

01-31-07, 12:48 AM	#3
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	It also saved many japanese ships from being sunk in the first two years of the war. There were reports of mechants being drydock and haveing two or three un exploded torpedos sticking out of there hulls! I'm suprised that the crews didn't mutiny! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

01-31-07, 02:52 AM	#6
StandingCow Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 355 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	How were US torps vs Uboat torps for their time? More or less duds? __________________

01-31-07, 09:50 AM	#9
fire-fox Chief Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Peoples Republic of West Yorkshire Posts: 326 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	a secound major folt (dont think thay'll put this in SH4) was where there would be a water splash as the torpedo hit the target and may be the detonator worked but did not triger the main charge, resulting in miner hull damage and the belife (from inexpereasd crews) that the torpedo worked but it didnt. __________________ Running subs aground since SH1 and Silent Service Running SH5 @ 100% difficulty + TWoS 2.2.19(RealNav + BDU + port smoke + food) + Carotio_IntercontinentalRadioPack tweaked + The Little Ships of SH5 - Coaster Pack

03-10-07, 04:21 AM	#12
Crosseye76 Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 258 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A great read. It even mentions that the same series of problems also dogged the Germans early in the war. __________________ There are only two kinds of ships. Submarines and Targets.

01-30-07, 11:56 PM	#2
codmander Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cape cod mass. Posts: 678 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	usa torps had some massive problems which probly cost a few sub mariners their skin

01-31-07, 01:49 AM	#4
Finback Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 138 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think that mod idea is great! Most likely will regret that I admitted it though :hmm: . Hopefully, the Mark X torpedos will be less prone to duds than the XIV's. Another good reason to have the old S Class boats in the game.

01-31-07, 02:00 AM	#5
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	I want realism damn it . If i choose to start my career early and get my arse kicked for not sinking anything because of torp failure then so be it . If you dont like torp failures then untick the box that will say (tick for realistic torp failures) like SH3 . realistic

01-31-07, 09:07 AM	#8
Barkhorn1x Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Davie, FL Grid DM 23 Posts: 544 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Articles on line giving you all the detail you could want: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/1592/ustorp1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/1592/ustorp2.htm Barkhorn.