MOD request

hyperion2206 · 01-30-07, 10:20 AM

Is it possible for one of you to model the monitors HMS Roberts and/or HMS Abercrombie?

Here's some info about these ships:

Abercrombie and Roberts were two monitors completed for the Royal Navy during the second world war using 15" guns. The Roberts used the guns from the old Marshall Ney whose machinery had been troublesome from the start and whose hull was found to be unsuitable for re-commissioning during the second world war. The Roberts was used for shore bombardment during the Normandy landings in 1944, and to support the army in the period following this for as long as her guns' range allowed.

Displacement: 7973 tons standard and 9150 tons deep load. Speed: 12.5 Knots. Compliment: 442 / 460 Armament: Two 15-inch Guns, Eight 4-inch 45 caliber QF AA guns in pairs and Sixteen 2 pounder Pom Pom (one of eight and two of Four guns). Built by John Brown, on the Clyde, laid down on the 30th April 1940, Launched 1st February 1941, and completed 27th October 1941. HMS Roberts was hit by 2 1100 Il bombs but her armour withstood the bombing although a lot of damage was caused. HMS Roberts was used more during world war two than her sister ship HMS Abercrombie. and in July 1945 an extra eight single 40mm Bofors added. she was finally scrapped at Inverkeithing in July 1965.

HMS Abercrombie was built by Vickers Armstrong Parsons on the Tyne, Laid down on the 26th of April 1941 and launched 31st march 1943 and completed 5th May 1943, Displacement: 8536 tons standard and 9717 tons deep load. Speed: 12.5 Knots. Compliment: 442 / 460 Armament: Two 15-inch Guns, Eight 4-inch 45 caliber QF AA guns in pairs and Sixteen 2 pounder Pom Pom (one of eight and two of Four guns). She was twice damaged by moored mines during the war. and finally Scrapped at barrow on the 24th December 1954.
The information above is courtesy of Alan Huxtable.

Text taken from this site (contains pic of the two ships as well): http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.u...%20Abercrombie

Jimbuna · 01-30-07, 11:45 AM

Was thinking that myself just prior to beta testing GWX

Two grand old Duchesses of the Royal Navy during their era

bigboywooly · 01-30-07, 12:51 PM

Always liked the look of those 2 ships
Remind me of some of those Russian ships

Real ungainly looking

class PETROPAVLOVSK

http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?la...elez%C5%88akov

hyperion2206 · 01-30-07, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Was thinking that myself just prior to beta testing GWX

Two grand old Duchesses of the Royal Navy during their era

Actually they weren't that old, I mean they were build during WWII using spare parts of other ships.

I never understood the concept of Monitors. They might have made sense during WWI, but they were obsolete in WWII (IMHO).
They were slow and only had one big gun turret which isn't very efficient for shore bombardments. Am I right or am I missing something?

iambecomelife · 01-30-07, 09:04 PM

I'm not really a warship modder but I have an excellent line drawing of the Abercrombie/Roberts class that I can send to anyone who's interested - just let me know.

Jimbuna · 01-31-07, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperion2206

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Was thinking that myself just prior to beta testing GWX

Two grand old Duchesses of the Royal Navy during their era

Actually they weren't that old, I mean they were build during WWII using spare parts of other ships.

I never understood the concept of Monitors. They might have made sense during WWI, but they were obsolete in WWII (IMHO).
They were slow and only had one big gun turret which isn't very efficient for shore bombardments. Am I right or am I missing something?

Actually your 'spot on'

I just can't find the link I was going to attach to support your post right now

:rotfl:

hyperion2206 · 01-31-07, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Quote:

Originally Posted by hyperion2206

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Was thinking that myself just prior to beta testing GWX

Two grand old Duchesses of the Royal Navy during their era

Actually they weren't that old, I mean they were build during WWII using spare parts of other ships.

I never understood the concept of Monitors. They might have made sense during WWI, but they were obsolete in WWII (IMHO).
They were slow and only had one big gun turret which isn't very efficient for shore bombardments. Am I right or am I missing something?

Actually your 'spot on'

I just can't find the link I was going to attach to support your post right now

:rotfl:

Wohooo, I'm 'spot on'!

:rotfl:I hope you'll find that link, 'cause support is always needed and welcome!

Jimbuna · 01-31-07, 09:44 AM

Here's a few

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Ships/HMSRoberts.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts_class_monitor

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/roberts_class.htm

hyperion2206 · 01-31-07, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Here's a few

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Ships/HMSRoberts.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts_class_monitor

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/roberts_class.htm

LOL, the last link is the link I posted. Did you really think I wouldn't notice?:rotfl:The first link is about a totally different ship (If I'm not mistaken). But nice find!

Jimbuna · 01-31-07, 12:44 PM

What I was actually trying to demonstrate was that the monitors have always been underpowered and inadequate for what they were fundamentally intended for

The last link was posted in error...here is the one I intended to post:

http://navalhistory.flixco.info/H/157658/8330/a0.htm

and here's another excellent reference site (sadly without the usual photo in this instance)
http://warships.web4u.cz/shipsplus.p...age=E&id=66604

hyperion2206 · 01-31-07, 05:31 PM

I guess they were underpowered because the doctrine was to arrive at a certain shore, stay put and fire until you get new orders.

But what I don't understand: They were designed to bombard the enemy 'til troops could land safely, so why did they just have on big gun turret. That's just ineffective!

01-30-07, 10:20 AM	#1
hyperion2206 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 1,227 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	MOD request Is it possible for one of you to model the monitors HMS Roberts and/or HMS Abercrombie? Here's some info about these ships: Abercrombie and Roberts were two monitors completed for the Royal Navy during the second world war using 15" guns. The Roberts used the guns from the old Marshall Ney whose machinery had been troublesome from the start and whose hull was found to be unsuitable for re-commissioning during the second world war. The Roberts was used for shore bombardment during the Normandy landings in 1944, and to support the army in the period following this for as long as her guns' range allowed. Displacement: 7973 tons standard and 9150 tons deep load. Speed: 12.5 Knots. Compliment: 442 / 460 Armament: Two 15-inch Guns, Eight 4-inch 45 caliber QF AA guns in pairs and Sixteen 2 pounder Pom Pom (one of eight and two of Four guns). Built by John Brown, on the Clyde, laid down on the 30th April 1940, Launched 1st February 1941, and completed 27th October 1941. HMS Roberts was hit by 2 1100 Il bombs but her armour withstood the bombing although a lot of damage was caused. HMS Roberts was used more during world war two than her sister ship HMS Abercrombie. and in July 1945 an extra eight single 40mm Bofors added. she was finally scrapped at Inverkeithing in July 1965. HMS Abercrombie was built by Vickers Armstrong Parsons on the Tyne, Laid down on the 26th of April 1941 and launched 31st march 1943 and completed 5th May 1943, Displacement: 8536 tons standard and 9717 tons deep load. Speed: 12.5 Knots. Compliment: 442 / 460 Armament: Two 15-inch Guns, Eight 4-inch 45 caliber QF AA guns in pairs and Sixteen 2 pounder Pom Pom (one of eight and two of Four guns). She was twice damaged by moored mines during the war. and finally Scrapped at barrow on the 24th December 1954. The information above is courtesy of Alan Huxtable. Text taken from this site (contains pic of the two ships as well): http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.u...%20Abercrombie __________________ Career of Captain Jack Shaftoe:

01-30-07, 11:45 AM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Was thinking that myself just prior to beta testing GWX Two grand old Duchesses of the Royal Navy during their era __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-30-07, 12:51 PM	#3
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Always liked the look of those 2 ships Remind me of some of those Russian ships Real ungainly looking class PETROPAVLOVSK http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?la...elez%C5%88akov __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-30-07, 09:04 PM	#5
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,707 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	I'm not really a warship modder but I have an excellent line drawing of the Abercrombie/Roberts class that I can send to anyone who's interested - just let me know. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

01-31-07, 09:44 AM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Here's a few http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Ships/HMSRoberts.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts_class_monitor http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/roberts_class.htm __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-31-07, 12:44 PM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	What I was actually trying to demonstrate was that the monitors have always been underpowered and inadequate for what they were fundamentally intended for The last link was posted in error...here is the one I intended to post: http://navalhistory.flixco.info/H/157658/8330/a0.htm and here's another excellent reference site (sadly without the usual photo in this instance) http://warships.web4u.cz/shipsplus.p...age=E&id=66604 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-31-07, 05:31 PM	#11
hyperion2206 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 1,227 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I guess they were underpowered because the doctrine was to arrive at a certain shore, stay put and fire until you get new orders. But what I don't understand: They were designed to bombard the enemy 'til troops could land safely, so why did they just have on big gun turret. That's just ineffective! __________________ Career of Captain Jack Shaftoe: