How long after DC explosions am I masked?

Siinji30 · 01-17-07, 07:31 AM

When there are a couple of DC going off nearby, how long can I ´make noise´ after the last explosion? Or do I have to go silent as soon as the last DC explodes?

johan_d · 01-17-07, 08:18 AM

good question, in real it can take up to ten minuts or more.
I have a bad feeling that in SH it is instant..

AS · 01-17-07, 08:53 AM

Speaking of dc... can anyone actually CONFIRM SH3 simulating noise by depth charges? I´ve never actually figured it out myself, and I don´t really trust SH3 on this point because when I hear depth charges it´s only some seconds and I don´t even know how close they are (unless my boat is shaken, of course)...

AS

melnibonian · 01-17-07, 09:26 AM

You can have short bursts of the engine after the DC explosions. I guess a few seconds should do (not more than a minute though)

Iron Budokan · 01-17-07, 09:43 AM

There's nfw this is properly modeled in SH3. You have a few seconds and that's it. And you're lucky if you have that much.

I give the engines a burst of speed during the explosions but when they stop I shut 'em down. I don't trust the devs at SH3 either, I'm pretty darn certain this isn't modeled at all. Shame, really.

mookiemookie · 01-17-07, 09:45 AM

If the DD's can hear me and come steaming directly towards my position while I'm directly under a convoy, or behind a piece of land, I doubt that depth charges will mask my engine noise either.

danlisa · 01-17-07, 10:00 AM

From the moment when an escort goes into it's attack run to when the last DC goes off you can use a burst of speed to either change course or depth.

The above is true if only one escort is on to you.

If more than one is tracking you then use short bursts of speed while the DC's are exploding. As Mel said, maybe 3-6 secs tops, this is enough for a course/depth change. Then drop to 1-2kts & pray.

Siinji30 · 01-17-07, 10:17 AM

I can imagine using this technique (going flank) when the attack run starts. He already knows where I am, so I might as well speed up, and make a turn or whatever.

danlisa · 01-17-07, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Siinji30

I can imagine using this technique (going flank) when the attack run starts. He already knows where I am, so I might as well speed up, and make a turn or whatever.

- Single Escort Only. If you do this with more than 1 then you're only confirming your position to the others.

Paajtor · 01-17-07, 10:44 AM

I usually speed up, as soon as I hear his engines revving up (that's when he's preparing to launch DCs at you).
When I reach my max.intended speed, I make a hook and change depth, and go back to 1kts again, after the last DC exploded.
It takes some time, before your speed is actually back at 1kts, and I use this time to do more evasives...if you only change depth, you make best use of this time (turning decreases speed faster).

GT182 · 01-17-07, 11:09 AM

If you are lucky enough to have Decoys, drop one when you start Flanks speed to evade. Use Flank speed, dive, turn or whatever, but drop a Decoy. As soon as the DCs stop and you cut back to 1 or 2 kts the Escort will pick up on the Decoy. It's worked for me in stock SHIII, but seeing I don't have Decoys yet in GWX I haven't been able to see the results.

Paajtor · 01-17-07, 02:48 PM

I have decoys loaded, but haven't used them yet, because I have no idea how many I have at my disposal.
I've been to lazy to try, because reloading my career takes so much time.

And so far, I was able to stay safe without them.

GT182 · 01-17-07, 04:34 PM

Use them that's what they're there for.

I'm not sure how many are available but I've never used all of them on one patrol. If you're detected you don't need to use but one to try and slip away. Head in a direction other than the one you were on. If picked up again use another Decoy and head in another direction. They do help, that I know. They've saved my subs bacon more than once.

Paajtor · 01-17-07, 05:22 PM

Yeah, think you're right.
It's the choice between a decoy & fast escape, or no decoy & hrs of evasives.
I just gotta remember them next time.

STEED · 01-17-07, 05:33 PM

It's 50/50 with decoys as some of those destroyer's don't fall for your trick but never the less if you got them you should use them.

01-17-07, 07:31 AM	#1
Siinji30 Seaman Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 34 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How long after DC explosions am I masked? When there are a couple of DC going off nearby, how long can I ´make noise´ after the last explosion? Or do I have to go silent as soon as the last DC explodes?

01-17-07, 08:53 AM	#3
AS 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	Speaking of dc... can anyone actually CONFIRM SH3 simulating noise by depth charges? I´ve never actually figured it out myself, and I don´t really trust SH3 on this point because when I hear depth charges it´s only some seconds and I don´t even know how close they are (unless my boat is shaken, of course)... AS __________________ Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. (Oscar Wilde)

01-17-07, 09:26 AM	#4
melnibonian Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reading UK Posts: 3,473 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	You can have short bursts of the engine after the DC explosions. I guess a few seconds should do (not more than a minute though) __________________ http://www.thegreywolves.com/ http://wolvesatwar.com/ Download GWX and other goodies: http://hosted.filefront.com/melnibonian

01-17-07, 09:43 AM	#5
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	There's nfw this is properly modeled in SH3. You have a few seconds and that's it. And you're lucky if you have that much. I give the engines a burst of speed during the explosions but when they stop I shut 'em down. I don't trust the devs at SH3 either, I'm pretty darn certain this isn't modeled at all. Shame, really. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

01-17-07, 09:45 AM	#6
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	If the DD's can hear me and come steaming directly towards my position while I'm directly under a convoy, or behind a piece of land, I doubt that depth charges will mask my engine noise either. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

01-17-07, 08:18 AM	#2
johan_d Samurai Navy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 556 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 1	good question, in real it can take up to ten minuts or more. I have a bad feeling that in SH it is instant..

01-17-07, 10:00 AM	#7
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	From the moment when an escort goes into it's attack run to when the last DC goes off you can use a burst of speed to either change course or depth. The above is true if only one escort is on to you. If more than one is tracking you then use short bursts of speed while the DC's are exploding. As Mel said, maybe 3-6 secs tops, this is enough for a course/depth change. Then drop to 1-2kts & pray. __________________

01-17-07, 10:17 AM	#8
Siinji30 Seaman Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 34 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I can imagine using this technique (going flank) when the attack run starts. He already knows where I am, so I might as well speed up, and make a turn or whatever.

01-17-07, 10:44 AM	#10
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	I usually speed up, as soon as I hear his engines revving up (that's when he's preparing to launch DCs at you). When I reach my max.intended speed, I make a hook and change depth, and go back to 1kts again, after the last DC exploded. It takes some time, before your speed is actually back at 1kts, and I use this time to do more evasives...if you only change depth, you make best use of this time (turning decreases speed faster). __________________

01-17-07, 11:09 AM	#11
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	If you are lucky enough to have Decoys, drop one when you start Flanks speed to evade. Use Flank speed, dive, turn or whatever, but drop a Decoy. As soon as the DCs stop and you cut back to 1 or 2 kts the Escort will pick up on the Decoy. It's worked for me in stock SHIII, but seeing I don't have Decoys yet in GWX I haven't been able to see the results. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

01-17-07, 02:48 PM	#12
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	I have decoys loaded, but haven't used them yet, because I have no idea how many I have at my disposal. I've been to lazy to try, because reloading my career takes so much time. And so far, I was able to stay safe without them. __________________

01-17-07, 04:34 PM	#13
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Use them that's what they're there for. I'm not sure how many are available but I've never used all of them on one patrol. If you're detected you don't need to use but one to try and slip away. Head in a direction other than the one you were on. If picked up again use another Decoy and head in another direction. They do help, that I know. They've saved my subs bacon more than once. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

01-17-07, 05:22 PM	#14
Paajtor The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Dutch mountains Posts: 1,551 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 1	Yeah, think you're right. It's the choice between a decoy & fast escape, or no decoy & hrs of evasives. I just gotta remember them next time. __________________

01-17-07, 05:33 PM	#15
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	It's 50/50 with decoys as some of those destroyer's don't fall for your trick but never the less if you got them you should use them. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!