Is the type V Falke worth it?

Incubus · 11-21-06, 12:43 PM

There are two types of homing torpedo. The main differences between the two are the minimum speed the target has to be going for the torpedo to obtain a lock (the type V is more 'sensitive' than the type IV).

In a perfect world, this means the type V is 'better' because there are more ships it can home in on, and more situations where it will obtain a hit. But honestly, I see things differently.

I think the type IV is better:

-Higher minimum speed means it is less likely to accidentally lock on to you
-Less renown cost (type V is 800 renown per torpedo

)
-Obtained earlier in your career

The homing torps are neat, even if a little more accurate then they were in real life. I like having one in the stern tube of my VIIC to fire at pursuing destroyers. Since you don't really have to worry about aim, you can fire it while being at max firing depth (think its 25 meters) ideally while crash diving.

Herr Russ · 11-21-06, 12:49 PM

I haven't received the new ones yet, but have been getting about 4 or 5 older acoustic torpedoes on each patrol and I'm not spending renown on them either.. Hopefully someone with experience with the newer torpedoes will answer up..

Good Hunting..

11-21-06, 02:31 PM

One thing I've noticed is that SHIII makes no allowance (or doesn't seem to, at any rate; I've never noticed them in game) for the Allies use of sonar homing torpedo decoys. The decoy was called Foxer, and it was constructed around 1943 specifically to counter and spoof the T4 and T5 torpedoes.

http://www.de220.com/Armament/Decoys/Decoys.htm

tycho102 · 11-21-06, 02:52 PM

A single one can be useful if you really get caught. I have never put myself in the specific position to use one, because the escorts have got to be doing 14+ knots for the thing to work well (they seem to home better several knots above their listed capability). I'm usually too deep to fire torps when an escort is charging me.

The pattern running torps are a better investment for the majority of your magazine.

Incubus · 11-21-06, 03:57 PM

Shallow water is another great place to use them, if you don't have enough space to dive deep.

bookworm_020 · 11-21-06, 05:13 PM

I love them when an escort is comming at you with blood in his eye. Fire one torpedo at 1000-800 meters and it will save your hide! Just watch out for Hedgehogs if you fire at a closer range, as they may take you down as you take down the launch ship

andy_311 · 11-22-06, 07:04 AM

The only thing wrong with accoustic torps are you target a ship doing 9knts and fire if for some reason the ship slows down to say 3knt the torps will miss.I had this done to me Targeted a Tanker doing 9 knts and she slowed down to 3-4knts the torpedo missed and searched for a louder noise.

3Jane · 11-24-06, 04:38 PM

Some interesting information about German acoustic homing torpedos.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2...does-2707.html

11-24-06, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_311

The only thing wrong with accoustic torps are you target a ship doing 9knts and fire if for some reason the ship slows down to say 3knt the torps will miss.I had this done to me Targeted a Tanker doing 9 knts and she slowed down to 3-4knts the torpedo missed and searched for a louder noise.

Well, if your target makes a speed change that drastic, you're liable to miss anyways... but non-homing torps are easier to stomach the miss. Then again, you can always do something (go to flank for a few seconds (not long enough to draw the torp back at you), or broach the surface) to get his attention, and get him to speed up, and attract the homer again.

One very important note: Don't be that louder noise.

Hakahura · 11-25-06, 06:17 AM

Well this all makes me the odd one out!

I've been playing SHIII for about a year and have played many careers,some to the end of the war. I've tried out and used all the torpedos available and I say you can't beat the MK1 mod zero steam driven T1s!

They are so fast, get in close and your target does'nt have time to evade! Plus, renown-wise they are the most cost effective. 800 to 1000 points for an acoustic torpedo depending on the type and when you use one whats the return?

I would rather get in close and then use speed for accuracy.

Of course I get through a few boats and crews...............................

Stealth Hunter · 11-25-06, 02:03 PM

I carry acoustically guided torpedoes on board for my main means of hunting, but I do carry backup on my XXI. I'm thinking about trading it in for a VII-C/42 since it has a stern tube.

EDIT: To be specific on my torpedo type: T-V. I carry T-III torps for slower moving merchants and other vessels. For smaller ships such as fishing vessels I prefer to use the deckgun to conserve torps.

Corsair · 11-25-06, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakahura

I've been playing SHIII for about a year and have played many careers,some to the end of the war.

Well if you did that with 100% realism and playing DID, I would like to know the tricks, never made it longer than Nov 43 - starting Sept 39.

I agree that at close range fast steamers are deadly.. problem in 43/44/45 is getting at close range...

Stealth Hunter · 11-25-06, 08:28 PM

Have you tried damaging them with the deckgun? Aim for their rudder or stack. Once you cripple them they're tactically defenseless. If you run out of torpedoes RAM THEM!

Corsair · 11-26-06, 07:38 AM

I don't think ramming boats was a standard tactic in the Kriegsmarine...

Stealth Hunter · 11-26-06, 02:53 PM

Well, you know there was this one captain who rammed a fishing vessel and sank it. It was fairly large.

And no I'm not referring to the Enemy Below (which wasn't that bad of a film).

11-21-06, 12:43 PM	#1
Incubus Planesman Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 195 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Is the type V Falke worth it? There are two types of homing torpedo. The main differences between the two are the minimum speed the target has to be going for the torpedo to obtain a lock (the type V is more 'sensitive' than the type IV). In a perfect world, this means the type V is 'better' because there are more ships it can home in on, and more situations where it will obtain a hit. But honestly, I see things differently. I think the type IV is better: -Higher minimum speed means it is less likely to accidentally lock on to you -Less renown cost (type V is 800 renown per torpedo ) -Obtained earlier in your career The homing torps are neat, even if a little more accurate then they were in real life. I like having one in the stern tube of my VIIC to fire at pursuing destroyers. Since you don't really have to worry about aim, you can fire it while being at max firing depth (think its 25 meters) ideally while crash diving.

11-21-06, 02:52 PM	#4
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A single one can be useful if you really get caught. I have never put myself in the specific position to use one, because the escorts have got to be doing 14+ knots for the thing to work well (they seem to home better several knots above their listed capability). I'm usually too deep to fire torps when an escort is charging me. The pattern running torps are a better investment for the majority of your magazine. __________________ My little Silent Hunter 4 repository

11-21-06, 05:13 PM	#6
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I love them when an escort is comming at you with blood in his eye. Fire one torpedo at 1000-800 meters and it will save your hide! Just watch out for Hedgehogs if you fire at a closer range, as they may take you down as you take down the launch ship __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

11-24-06, 04:38 PM	#8
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Some interesting information about German acoustic homing torpedos. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2...does-2707.html __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

11-25-06, 06:17 AM	#10
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well this all makes me the odd one out! I've been playing SHIII for about a year and have played many careers,some to the end of the war. I've tried out and used all the torpedos available and I say you can't beat the MK1 mod zero steam driven T1s! They are so fast, get in close and your target does'nt have time to evade! Plus, renown-wise they are the most cost effective. 800 to 1000 points for an acoustic torpedo depending on the type and when you use one whats the return? I would rather get in close and then use speed for accuracy. Of course I get through a few boats and crews............................... __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

11-21-06, 12:49 PM	#2
Herr Russ Officer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Diego, CA. Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I haven't received the new ones yet, but have been getting about 4 or 5 older acoustic torpedoes on each patrol and I'm not spending renown on them either.. Hopefully someone with experience with the newer torpedoes will answer up.. Good Hunting..

11-21-06, 02:31 PM	#3
Albrecht Von Hesse Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	One thing I've noticed is that SHIII makes no allowance (or doesn't seem to, at any rate; I've never noticed them in game) for the Allies use of sonar homing torpedo decoys. The decoy was called Foxer, and it was constructed around 1943 specifically to counter and spoof the T4 and T5 torpedoes. http://www.de220.com/Armament/Decoys/Decoys.htm

11-21-06, 03:57 PM	#5
Incubus Planesman Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 195 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Shallow water is another great place to use them, if you don't have enough space to dive deep.

11-22-06, 07:04 AM	#7
andy_311 The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oldham, Lancs,England Posts: 1,312 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	The only thing wrong with accoustic torps are you target a ship doing 9knts and fire if for some reason the ship slows down to say 3knt the torps will miss.I had this done to me Targeted a Tanker doing 9 knts and she slowed down to 3-4knts the torpedo missed and searched for a louder noise.

11-25-06, 02:03 PM	#11
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I carry acoustically guided torpedoes on board for my main means of hunting, but I do carry backup on my XXI. I'm thinking about trading it in for a VII-C/42 since it has a stern tube. EDIT: To be specific on my torpedo type: T-V. I carry T-III torps for slower moving merchants and other vessels. For smaller ships such as fishing vessels I prefer to use the deckgun to conserve torps.

11-25-06, 08:28 PM	#13
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Have you tried damaging them with the deckgun? Aim for their rudder or stack. Once you cripple them they're tactically defenseless. If you run out of torpedoes RAM THEM!

11-26-06, 07:38 AM	#14
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	I don't think ramming boats was a standard tactic in the Kriegsmarine... __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

11-26-06, 02:53 PM	#15
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Well, you know there was this one captain who rammed a fishing vessel and sank it. It was fairly large.And no I'm not referring to the Enemy Below (which wasn't that bad of a film). Last edited by Stealth Hunter; 11-26-06 at 06:33 PM.