SH3 Commander was wrong!

hyperion2206 · 10-25-06, 02:00 PM

Today I (03.05.1941) sunk an old Clemson destroyer who flew the british flag (white ensign) but SH3 Commander told me I sunk the USS Shubrick:hmm:.

Boris · 10-25-06, 02:08 PM

Well that's because Clemsons were US destroyers. Some were sold to the british and were called Town class. Seems like SH3 commander doesn't take this into account, if it even can...

bigboywooly · 10-25-06, 02:09 PM

Unfortunately SH3commander cant distinguish between nations so it will give you a historic real ship name but may sometimes be from the wrong country

AVGWarhawk · 10-25-06, 02:39 PM

Whats' the difference? You sunk it and that is all that matters....tonnage man!!

Sailor Steve · 10-25-06, 05:48 PM

I first noticed this way back when I sank a small British tanker and it named it SS President Jefferson, which was an actual US C-3, which was a dedicated type, not just any large cargo ship.

Unfortunately the work required to give all ships the proper names would be a lot. Some of us are still trying, though.

P_Funk · 10-25-06, 11:49 PM

So when the British took control of those obsolete destroyers did they rename them or just swap the old USS for an HMS?

EDIT. Nevermind, I answered my own question accidentally while looking up the COmmando raid of St. Nazaire in 42:
"The destroyer was HMS Campbeltown, an obsolete craft. She was previously the Buchanan of the US Navy, transferred to Britain early in the war as part of the Destroyers for Bases Agreement."

JScones · 10-26-06, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Unfortunately SH3commander cant distinguish between nations so it will give you a historic real ship name but may sometimes be from the wrong country

Yes, this is because SH3 does not record the nationality of sunken ships. Hence, as SH3 maintains no record, SH3Cmdr has no way of knowing either, thus a name is pulled from a generic list created by a number of people (as you know BBW

).

As it currently stands, most merchants and tankers (excluding Liberty's and Victory's) pull from the same list of names. But there's no reason for this to be "set in concrete" - name lists can be created specific for any ship included in SH3.

melnibonian · 10-26-06, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

Unfortunately SH3commander cant distinguish between nations so it will give you a historic real ship name but may sometimes be from the wrong country

Yes, this is because SH3 does not record the nationality of sunken ships. Hence, as SH3 maintains no record, SH3Cmdr has no way of knowing either, thus a name is pulled from a generic list created by a number of people (as you know BBW

).

As it currently stands, most merchants and tankers (excluding Liberty's and Victory's) pull from the same list of names. But there's no reason for this to be "set in concrete" - name lists can be created specific for any ship included in SH3.

That would be great.

My fear is that then the files might get a bit big, but if it can be done it would be really fantastic. Can we expect it soon(ish) ?????

bigboywooly · 10-26-06, 08:25 AM

:rotfl:
Well as Jaeson said its a long tedious job
Ships such as the T2 etc should have there own names not come from a generic section - saying that Observer did a great job with the ship names to begin with

There MAY be something that can be done - say within the next 6 weeks :rotfl:

melnibonian · 10-26-06, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

:rotfl:
Well as Jaeson said its a long tedious job
Ships such as the T2 etc should have there own names not come from a generic section - saying that Observer did a great job with the ship names to begin with

There MAY be something that can be done - say within the next 6 weeks :rotfl:

OH MY GOD

Are you talking about what I (and I'm sure everybody else) is thinking?????????

Now I'm excited and I've started counting days

TarJak · 10-26-06, 09:50 AM

Let's hope so. Looks like Christmas is going by the wayside.

10-25-06, 02:00 PM	#1
hyperion2206 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cologne, Germany Posts: 1,227 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	SH3 Commander was wrong! Today I (03.05.1941) sunk an old Clemson destroyer who flew the british flag (white ensign) but SH3 Commander told me I sunk the USS Shubrick:hmm:.

10-25-06, 02:09 PM	#3
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately SH3commander cant distinguish between nations so it will give you a historic real ship name but may sometimes be from the wrong country __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-25-06, 02:39 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Whats' the difference? You sunk it and that is all that matters....tonnage man!! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-25-06, 05:48 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I first noticed this way back when I sank a small British tanker and it named it SS President Jefferson, which was an actual US C-3, which was a dedicated type, not just any large cargo ship. Unfortunately the work required to give all ships the proper names would be a lot. Some of us are still trying, though. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-25-06, 11:49 PM	#6
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	So when the British took control of those obsolete destroyers did they rename them or just swap the old USS for an HMS? EDIT. Nevermind, I answered my own question accidentally while looking up the COmmando raid of St. Nazaire in 42: "The destroyer was HMS Campbeltown, an obsolete craft. She was previously the Buchanan of the US Navy, transferred to Britain early in the war as part of the Destroyers for Bases Agreement." __________________ Last edited by P_Funk; 10-26-06 at 12:07 AM.

10-25-06, 02:08 PM	#2
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Well that's because Clemsons were US destroyers. Some were sold to the british and were called Town class. Seems like SH3 commander doesn't take this into account, if it even can...

10-26-06, 08:25 AM	#9
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	:rotfl: Well as Jaeson said its a long tedious job Ships such as the T2 etc should have there own names not come from a generic section - saying that Observer did a great job with the ship names to begin with There MAY be something that can be done - say within the next 6 weeks :rotfl: __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-26-06, 09:50 AM	#11
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Let's hope so. Looks like Christmas is going by the wayside.