Pics of the USS Conneticut (Seawolf) having an Arctic holiday

[SUBMAN1]

Ran across this pics and figured I'd share:

[ASWnut101]

You cannot beat the Conneticut or Seawolf (Is the Jimboy Carter in service, or was it canceled during building?)

It eats Akula's for breakfast
It steps on victors like a bug
It is the best sub out there, excluding the Virginia, which IS the best sub in the world.

No russian sub can even come close.......(thats for kapitan)

[Kapitan]

No russian sub needs to the IL38's and TU142's will blow the thing out of the water should it enter russian waters, also its not about who has the most advanced submarine its how well you train the crew you may have an inferior boat but a superior crew and at the end of the day that is wat counts.

The swedish gotland class has given the Seawolf the slip many times, also the british trafalgar boats have made numerous mission kills on the seawolf during exercises like neptune warrior.

Nothing comes close? well with the SS-N-16 and a helo theres no need helo finds the seawolf akula fires her ASROC's and its tata seawolf.

The British have thee best training sub school in the world and that is a fact, Admiral rickover and the USN have all publicly admitted that, the british train american, Australian, Russia, German, Indian naval officers theres nothing at all like the training that is acheived.

So if i wanted to kill a seawolf all id do is swing by pick up a traffie and a good crew and give me an hour and seawolf will be fish food garenteed. (and yes in exercises its been done before the USN under estimated the power of a british SSN many times!)

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

You cannot beat the Conneticut or Seawolf (Is the Jimboy Carter in service, or was it canceled during building?)

It eats Akula's for breakfast
It steps on victors like a bug
It is the best sub out there, excluding the Virginia, which IS the best sub in the world.

No russian sub can even come close.......(thats for kapitan)

Wow! THem sounds like fighten words!

-S

[Kapitan]

The lada amur i would immagine comes pretty close seeing as it doesnt use conventional screw (although it says it does and pictures you say when she was built)

The german 212 / 214 are alot quieter infact the 212 is so quiet that they have to put noise makers on the rear of the submarine so the ASW forces have something to do!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

The lada amur i would immagine comes pretty close seeing as it doesnt use conventional screw (although it says it does and pictures you say when she was built)

The german 212 / 214 are alot quieter infact the 212 is so quiet that they have to put noise makers on the rear of the submarine so the ASW forces have something to do!

Sounds like the ASW guys need an equipment upgrade!

[Kapitan]

Yup best tell that to the USN and RN and French navy.

[ASWnut101]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

No russian sub needs to the IL38's and TU142's will blow the thing out of the water should it enter russian waters, also its not about who has the most advanced submarine its how well you train the crew you may have an inferior boat but a superior crew and at the end of the day that is wat counts.

Weel, wit american training and the most advanced sub, I think seawolf has good points here.

The swedish gotland class has given the Seawolf the slip many times, also the british trafalgar boats have made numerous mission kills on the seawolf during exercises like neptune warrior.

Did they ever mention how fast the wolf was going, and how deep the water was, or how about if the crew of the seawolf had to make a little noise in neptune warrior?

Nothing comes close? well with the SS-N-16 and a helo theres no need helo finds the seawolf akula fires her ASROC's and its tata seawolf.

I meant that nothing comes as close to the seawolf's power and cost.

The British have thee best training sub school in the world and that is a fact, Admiral rickover and the USN have all publicly admitted that, the british train american, Australian, Russia, German, Indian naval officers theres nothing at all like the training that is acheived.

So? They are just making americans better at something they were already masters at......

So if i wanted to kill a seawolf all id do is swing by pick up a traffie and a good crew and give me an hour and seawolf will be fish food garenteed. (and yes in exercises its been done before the USN under estimated the power of a british SSN many times!)

hmm, the Trafalagar is a FINE sub indeed, but you are underestemating the seawolfies detection capabilities.


Oh, and finnaly, The Virginia is quieter than the Traffie, More detection capable, and less expensive than the seawolf. It's quieter too.

[Spoon 11th]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

So if i wanted to kill a seawolf all id do is swing by pick up a traffie and a good crew and give me an hour and seawolf will be fish food garenteed.

I'd just throw a banana peel into the water and wait.

Thanks for the pics subman.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

Yup best tell that to the USN and RN and French navy.

Doesn't sound like the USN was the one in need of an upgrade.

[Kapitan]

The USN ASW ships need a big upgrade, the perry FFG for example is totaly useless in defence of itself.

The USN are no way masters of submarine warfare, if they were then why does the USN insist that its officers are sent on the BRITISH training scheme?

The seawolf for cost and power yeah is expencive but the papa when built cost just under what the seawolf does today.

The gotland was in open ocean when on training exercises it also does littoral exercises its basicaly just to get the USN up to speed with ASW

And again if the USN are masters in ASW why would they lease a forign submarine for a whole year and more ? (note they got thier arses kicked quite a few times)

The USN although has good platforms also has some realy bad ones and some well stone age ones.

In neptune warrior the seawolf was killed 4 times within 36 hours by a german submarine, this year they have forced the germans to put noise makers on thier subs because they are just too quiet.


The Seawolf is a excellent platform but the seawolf herself is now nearing 10 years old, the traffies are a good 15 or more, the astute are thee equivelent to the virginia.

During the exercises i dont think any sub acctualy need alot of speed, so i doubt it would be going that fast and i also doubt it had any noise makers on it at all.

Seawolf has 8 21 inch torpedo tubes for comparision the akula has 14 torpedo tubes also has AASROC missiles if you mean engine power then yeh seawolf will win also i think on the speed catagory too seawolf is a 37 knotter the akula only 35knots.

The seawolf is an excellent submarine its got everything any submarineer ever dreams of and yes it is one of thee best subs in the world.

Did you know that BAe and some other british companies acctualy make parts for US submarines? including parts for SONAR systems ?

[HunterICX]

:hmm: and the fight goes on between Russia and America submarines.

btw...that polarbear...isnt that an russian spy :rotfl: dressed in an bear costume.

[sonar732]

Ok Kapitan. I know that you are a youngin' that's "wet behind the ears" and that's why I've enjoyed watching the arguements you've presented. However, when it comes to smashin' our sonar systems I couldn't stand back.

A few points regarding your claims. It's no secret as to why we lease other countries diesel electric boats. We don't have any diesel electrics and they are being produced by countries that pose a threat to the United States, ie...NPKR, China, and Iran. It's not because our training sucks, par from the course, it's because we don't have something like it to compete against in training excercises. Yes, the Seawolf and Virginia classes are quiet...but not that quiet. We also leased the services of the Australian Collins class who gave us an opportunity to have OPFOR excercises.

Here you are trashing how our sonar people can't find a diesel electric submarine, yet I remember standing watch transiting out of the Straight of Juan de Fuca seeing Russian trawlers shadowing my boat. Why might you ask? Because once my boat went to sea, the Russian submarines that were waiting for us couldn't find us and we are a nuc...not a diesel. What's their excuse...training or equipment?

As for saying that BAE makes our sonar equipment??? Lockhead Martin and Northrup Grumman are the primary suppliers of our sonar systems. Yea, BAE might make a chip or two..doubt it, but the primary suppliers are whom I mentioned.

Take your book-smart's along with your "contacts" and keep them at home. There's nothin' like a "been there, done that"!

[Kapitan]

I will openly admit that the russian sonar systems on the submarines even todays ones are well quite antiquated but they are trying to step up with the newer waterfall displays.

BAe makes some of the parts not the entire system of sonar for the seawolf and viginia just like it does with the exocet and other products.

Im not climing that the USN training is crap because its a good navy however do think they should commission in at least a dozen SSK's so they dont have to lease any forign submarines, of corse australia and sweden would oblige they are paid enough to do so and they are allies.

As for sonar systems apart from BAe makes some part's thats about as much as i know i cant operate them i cant use them.

Yeah im young and wet behind the ears but theres nothing like learning something new every day.

Oh and why the russian trail you on the surface? simple cause thier own SSN's are useless for open ocean tracking i think even the akula would struggle to keep tabs on the ohio.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

I will openly admit that the russian sonar systems on the submarines even todays ones are well quite antiquated but they are trying to step up with the newer waterfall displays.

BAe makes some of the parts not the entire system of sonar for the seawolf and viginia just like it does with the exocet and other products.

Im not climing that the USN training is crap because its a good navy however do think they should commission in at least a dozen SSK's so they dont have to lease any forign submarines, of corse australia and sweden would oblige they are paid enough to do so and they are allies.

As for sonar systems apart from BAe makes some part's thats about as much as i know i cant operate them i cant use them.

Yeah im young and wet behind the ears but theres nothing like learning something new every day.

Oh and why the russian trail you on the surface? simple cause thier own SSN's are useless for open ocean tracking i think even the akula would struggle to keep tabs on the ohio.

The U.S. Navy will never imploy a SSK. There is simply no need for it in our mission profile. We just decomm'd our greatest SSK, Dolphin, due to it going beyond it's "shelf-life" and mission. Your comment regarding BAE and our sonar was pressed as an insult, not "learning something new". The whole scheme of your post has been insulting to the U.S. ASW community as a matter of fact. All you could do is provide "proof" as to how bad our crews are and not the whole reasoning of why we are even doing the excercises...hence the first paragraph in my post. I might suggest you do the unbias research before commenting. Hence "wet behind the ears" comment by me.

The Perry FFG comment for instance...did you know why they were produced? They were produced cheaply and in great numbers for the escort of multiple convoys across the Atlantic and support of multiple battle groups, whether amphib or carrier. They were pre-Aegis and replaces the aging Knox class. If you place a side by side comparison, it's a step up as the Knox class barely had any weapons capability.