Dangerous, but ... - Page 2

TarJak · 10-22-06, 11:36 PM

Check this site out. It's got a good description of how GP went in in Oct 39:

http://www.u47.org/english/u47_sca.asp

robj250 · 10-23-06, 01:12 PM

How is SH3Gen going to help me in this situation in infiltrating Scapa Flow from the west end, which is where I am now. I have never used GEN in this manner, only at the beginning of a patrol.

Stabiz has made it in and out but I really don't know how he did it. His movies on the subject made it look real easy.

It is Sept 13 1939(Wednesday)The weather is very poor, in that I mean seas are rough (15 m/s) heavy fog.

I am running at 1/3 but with the seas so rough, I don't know if I can run decks awash. I just looked from the bridge and it is PITCH BLACK OUT.

I really don't know whether I should attempt this or not. My intentions are to enter from the west (which is where I am) and exit to the east.

If I could get a good map showing where the mine fields are, where the sub nets are and where the sunken ships are would be great.

I really think I can try this because of such poor visibility, but that means getting close to the target because otherwise it will be almost impossible to see it.

I have never fired using sonar so I don't know if it can be done. At the moment the depth under keel is 76 metres.

If I can make a printout, I'll try to use Photoshop CS2 to show where I am and then submit it.

I wish those that have successfully gone in, attacked and come out without any real damage would give me some advise.

Even though this is just a game, I am actually afraid to make the attempt.

_Seth_ · 10-23-06, 01:22 PM

Robj250: You are a true submariner! If i were you, i would go for the eastern approach. Try entering during night, watch out for those shipwreks. sail between the, and when you enter the main "basin of scapa flow, dive to PD. run at 2-3 knots, and silent (dont want to wake those bad destroyers....Zzzzzz-Zzzzzzz) Hug the right shore on your way to the port (check depth, dont run aground..) Use periscope often. If you are detected, run like H*ll out the same way you came. The water is too shallow to survive i DC attack, so make your engines sing! And most important: Take the time you need, be tactical, dont stress anything! You will do this just fine! And then, you will no longer be a scapa-virgin....! Good Luck, fellow kaleun, i'll see you over a beer when you get back to port!

SH3Gen would probably be to no use, remeber: THE SAFEST WAY IS THE EAST APPROACH!

robj250 · 10-23-06, 02:34 PM

This was my intentions:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7...paroutekg2.jpg

robj250 · 10-23-06, 03:08 PM

Is this what you suggest I do?

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6...35routemq6.jpg

bigboywooly · 10-23-06, 03:56 PM

No go in through the East channel - same as Prein did

Mind the barricade ships tho

robj250 · 10-23-06, 04:02 PM

BigBoyWOlly. Perhaps you could draw the route you are referring to and then post the link to the map because from looking at the map you put up, I don't know what you are referring to. Sorry about being so stupid but I don't know Scapa Flow at all, never been in there.

robj250 · 10-23-06, 08:17 PM

Sorry, but I don't know which entrance on the east side you are referring to?

bigboywooly · 10-24-06, 09:33 AM

_Seth_ · 10-24-06, 09:41 AM

Remember PD!! Those brits have coastal search lights and other bad surprises in Scapa...

robj250 · 10-24-06, 01:40 PM

Thanks guys, I'll give it a go.

Here are my intentions:

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6207/snap036vr6.jpg

robj250 · 10-25-06, 04:09 AM

I notice on the map that there are two ships in the channel I am attempting to go through. I assume these are sunken ships designed to block the channel. Is it possible to navigate between them underwater in rough seas at night?

_Seth_ · 10-25-06, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robj250

I notice on the map that there are two ships in the channel I am attempting to go through. I assume these are sunken ships designed to block the channel. Is it possible to navigate between them underwater in rough seas at night?

Yes, But dont put Bernard at the helm!!!

Its possible, but use external view, so you dont end up scratching your new sub-paint..

10-23-06, 01:22 PM	#18
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Robj250: You are a true submariner! If i were you, i would go for the eastern approach. Try entering during night, watch out for those shipwreks. sail between the, and when you enter the main "basin of scapa flow, dive to PD. run at 2-3 knots, and silent (dont want to wake those bad destroyers....Zzzzzz-Zzzzzzz) Hug the right shore on your way to the port (check depth, dont run aground..) Use periscope often. If you are detected, run like H*ll out the same way you came. The water is too shallow to survive i DC attack, so make your engines sing! And most important: Take the time you need, be tactical, dont stress anything! You will do this just fine! And then, you will no longer be a scapa-virgin....! Good Luck, fellow kaleun, i'll see you over a beer when you get back to port! SH3Gen would probably be to no use, remeber: THE SAFEST WAY IS THE EAST APPROACH! __________________

10-23-06, 03:56 PM	#21
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	No go in through the East channel - same as Prein did Mind the barricade ships tho __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-24-06, 09:33 AM	#24
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	__________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-24-06, 09:41 AM	#25
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Remember PD!! Those brits have coastal search lights and other bad surprises in Scapa... __________________

10-24-06, 01:40 PM	#26
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys, I'll give it a go. Here are my intentions: http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6207/snap036vr6.jpg Last edited by robj250; 10-24-06 at 03:39 PM.

10-22-06, 11:36 PM	#16
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Check this site out. It's got a good description of how GP went in in Oct 39: http://www.u47.org/english/u47_sca.asp

10-23-06, 01:12 PM	#17
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	How is SH3Gen going to help me in this situation in infiltrating Scapa Flow from the west end, which is where I am now. I have never used GEN in this manner, only at the beginning of a patrol. Stabiz has made it in and out but I really don't know how he did it. His movies on the subject made it look real easy. It is Sept 13 1939(Wednesday)The weather is very poor, in that I mean seas are rough (15 m/s) heavy fog. I am running at 1/3 but with the seas so rough, I don't know if I can run decks awash. I just looked from the bridge and it is PITCH BLACK OUT. I really don't know whether I should attempt this or not. My intentions are to enter from the west (which is where I am) and exit to the east. If I could get a good map showing where the mine fields are, where the sub nets are and where the sunken ships are would be great. I really think I can try this because of such poor visibility, but that means getting close to the target because otherwise it will be almost impossible to see it. I have never fired using sonar so I don't know if it can be done. At the moment the depth under keel is 76 metres. If I can make a printout, I'll try to use Photoshop CS2 to show where I am and then submit it. I wish those that have successfully gone in, attacked and come out without any real damage would give me some advise. Even though this is just a game, I am actually afraid to make the attempt.

10-23-06, 02:34 PM	#19
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This was my intentions: http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7...paroutekg2.jpg

10-23-06, 03:08 PM	#20
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Is this what you suggest I do? http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6...35routemq6.jpg

10-23-06, 04:02 PM	#22
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	BigBoyWOlly. Perhaps you could draw the route you are referring to and then post the link to the map because from looking at the map you put up, I don't know what you are referring to. Sorry about being so stupid but I don't know Scapa Flow at all, never been in there.

10-23-06, 08:17 PM	#23
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Sorry, but I don't know which entrance on the east side you are referring to?

10-25-06, 04:09 AM	#27
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I notice on the map that there are two ships in the channel I am attempting to go through. I assume these are sunken ships designed to block the channel. Is it possible to navigate between them underwater in rough seas at night?