NYGM Tonnage War Mod (current v2.6) 8/11/07 - Page 5

Der Teddy Bar · 10-07-06, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

Some kids never learn, ray.

Anyways, I must chime in on the fatigue thing. It works okay when you keep your TC low, but as soon as you impatiently scoot across the ocean you get RSI from moving crew about. If you cruise about at 64/128 it isnt felt so badly.

The most elegant solution would be to either lessen or entirely remove the exhaustion/fatiguges efficiency modifier. Let it be up to morale really.

For long patrol across the Atlantic the best solution to be able to keep the NYGM Crew Management Mod intact for when you get there and for normal patrols, is to set the 3DRender=128 and then at 256x the fatigue is not running.

Correct the crew will not recuperate when at 256x but this is for the transit periods so you could rest them before making the return trip.

Any Crew Management, including the NYGM Crew Management, are a pain when you scoot around at 1024x etc.

Immacolata · 10-07-06, 02:09 PM

Aye its the very crew model of SH3 that is flawed. No kaleun should be forced to micromanage their crew like that. Leave that to the quartermaster or the gefreiter or whatever his name is

kylania · 10-07-06, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by raymond6751

Enough sniping from GW in this thread.

Umm. the last thing mentioned about GW was nearly a month ago, and all it was was a post pointing out how it's a different mindset. What are you talking about?

Immacolata · 10-07-06, 05:13 PM

hmm Im having my problems with the AI spotting range at daylight. Im as far away from a convoy as I possibly can be, they are merely hazy smoke on the horizon so tiny you can barely pick them up without binocs. Yet the destroyers spot me with their evil stare

IF they have radar in july 1942, aren't they supposed to work at 5000 m or less? If not, why is it not even possible for me to track the convoy at the far range of the visual bubble?

They are supposed to be able to spot me at 7000m. I am pretty sure they are further away than that, but if it really IS radar Im of course busted fair and square. I don't have metox yet so I can't tell if it is visual or electronic sensing that detects me.

raymond6751 · 10-10-06, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

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Originally Posted by raymond6751

Enough sniping from GW in this thread.

Umm. the last thing mentioned about GW was nearly a month ago, and all it was was a post pointing out how it's a different mindset. What are you talking about?

I took the time to read through the posts and found the discussion about research in NYGM and the sarcastic comments from GW folks. It may have been old, but it is in the forum and folks read it.

Stiebler · 10-16-06, 03:22 AM

I asked the question in another thread of what is the optimum speed to patrol your assign grid square (eg BE65).

This provoked a number of answers as to how people *actually* patrol, but no responses to how they *ought* to patrol.

So I made a computer model. Results can be found here (file SH3Grids.pdf):
http://files.filefront.com//;6027268;;/

Stiebler.

Steeltrap · 10-16-06, 11:28 PM

Stiebler

Very interesting reading! Nice to see some stats analysis in here, even if a lot of people won't have the foggiest as to what it's about.....

FUBAR295 · 10-17-06, 08:42 AM

Stiebler,

To echo, an excellent and informative read.

Although you used and based your findings on the zigzag pattern, I was wondering if other search pattern scenarios were run and if simular results were obtained and if not any chance that you would.

I think the zigzag pattern is the most efficent way to search a given area, at least in my experience and the one I use and favor. Any idea if the KM sanctioned any method(s) over another.

Again, thanks for a excellent analysis.

Good Hunting,
FUBAR

Stiebler · 10-17-06, 12:46 PM

I haven't tried any other form of search pattern. In fact, I've never seen a description of search patterns used by individual U-boats when sailing alone. They might be described in the U-boat Commander's Handbook, but I don't have a copy of that book. Commanders were constantly exhorted to use their 'hunting instinct'.

Apologies if the statistics seemed to be a little impenetrable. One of the uses of statistics is to determine whether two actions that appear to differ from one another really do differ, or if the apparent difference arises merely by chance. If the probability that two events differ is better than 0.95, then conventionally one says that the probability that the two events are different is 95% (alternatively, that the probability that the two events are really the same, but appear to differ, is less than 5%). In both cases, the result is 'significant' (at the 95% level). Anything that occurs with a probability better than 99% is 'highly significant'.

Stiebler.

FUBAR295 · 10-17-06, 01:34 PM

I checked the Uboat Commanders Handbook but could not locate any reference to recommended search patterns. This might have been covered in Training and would have been common knowledge to those who needed to know such things, just speculating here. Maybe someone might pipe up who really knows the answer.

Good Hunting,
FUBAR

THE_MASK · 10-29-06, 05:08 AM

When will we see the MEM mod (mediterranian escorts mod).

Der Teddy Bar · 10-29-06, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

When will we see the MEM mod (mediterranian escorts mod).

It is my intention to have it in the next TW release.

I am trying to get a better idea of dates, numbers & locations so as to give a historical feel.

Anyone with information please feel free to submit it.

THE_MASK · 11-14-06, 08:43 AM

Ok thanks.

1mPHUNit0 · 11-15-06, 08:55 AM

What about going diagonal?
It's the shorter pattern and the most closer to other point.
Diagonal and not so slow ....but not from corner to corner
from almost there to almost there....the boat must stay on the center
all the time...in a central zone i mean.
Or zig zag up down ....but the same ...stay central.
Zig zag it's more long but it has less time holes...i mean
it's more professonal....less lucky ..... if you are not lucky
you have another chance in next swap

nygm not a supermod but a working great mod!!!
Buon coding

Sailor Steve · 11-15-06, 11:48 AM

I run diaganally across the grid, then down one side, diagonal again, then small diagonals dividing it into quarters, crossing vertically and horizontally once in a while, finally around the perimeter and then start all over again. I get dizzy once in a while, but I figure that's as good a pattern as any, and it always worked in AOD.

10-07-06, 02:09 PM	#62
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Aye its the very crew model of SH3 that is flawed. No kaleun should be forced to micromanage their crew like that. Leave that to the quartermaster or the gefreiter or whatever his name is __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill

10-07-06, 05:13 PM	#64
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	hmm Im having my problems with the AI spotting range at daylight. Im as far away from a convoy as I possibly can be, they are merely hazy smoke on the horizon so tiny you can barely pick them up without binocs. Yet the destroyers spot me with their evil stare IF they have radar in july 1942, aren't they supposed to work at 5000 m or less? If not, why is it not even possible for me to track the convoy at the far range of the visual bubble? They are supposed to be able to spot me at 7000m. I am pretty sure they are further away than that, but if it really IS radar Im of course busted fair and square. I don't have metox yet so I can't tell if it is visual or electronic sensing that detects me. __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill Last edited by Immacolata; 10-07-06 at 05:18 PM.

10-16-06, 03:22 AM	#66
Stiebler Fuel Supplier Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,237 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 4	NYGM Research I asked the question in another thread of what is the optimum speed to patrol your assign grid square (eg BE65). This provoked a number of answers as to how people actually patrol, but no responses to how they ought to patrol. So I made a computer model. Results can be found here (file SH3Grids.pdf): http://files.filefront.com//;6027268;;/ Stiebler.

10-17-06, 08:42 AM	#68
FUBAR295 Krusty Krab Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Decks awash in the North Atlantic Posts: 1,450 Downloads: 493 Uploads: 0	Stiebler, To echo, an excellent and informative read. Although you used and based your findings on the zigzag pattern, I was wondering if other search pattern scenarios were run and if simular results were obtained and if not any chance that you would. I think the zigzag pattern is the most efficent way to search a given area, at least in my experience and the one I use and favor. Any idea if the KM sanctioned any method(s) over another. Again, thanks for a excellent analysis. Good Hunting, FUBAR __________________ Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

10-17-06, 01:34 PM	#70
FUBAR295 Krusty Krab Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Decks awash in the North Atlantic Posts: 1,450 Downloads: 493 Uploads: 0	I checked the Uboat Commanders Handbook but could not locate any reference to recommended search patterns. This might have been covered in Training and would have been common knowledge to those who needed to know such things, just speculating here. Maybe someone might pipe up who really knows the answer. Good Hunting, FUBAR __________________ Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

10-16-06, 11:28 PM	#67
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Stiebler Very interesting reading! Nice to see some stats analysis in here, even if a lot of people won't have the foggiest as to what it's about.....

10-17-06, 12:46 PM	#69
Stiebler Fuel Supplier Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,237 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 4	I haven't tried any other form of search pattern. In fact, I've never seen a description of search patterns used by individual U-boats when sailing alone. They might be described in the U-boat Commander's Handbook, but I don't have a copy of that book. Commanders were constantly exhorted to use their 'hunting instinct'. Apologies if the statistics seemed to be a little impenetrable. One of the uses of statistics is to determine whether two actions that appear to differ from one another really do differ, or if the apparent difference arises merely by chance. If the probability that two events differ is better than 0.95, then conventionally one says that the probability that the two events are different is 95% (alternatively, that the probability that the two events are really the same, but appear to differ, is less than 5%). In both cases, the result is 'significant' (at the 95% level). Anything that occurs with a probability better than 99% is 'highly significant'. Stiebler.

10-29-06, 05:08 AM	#71
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	When will we see the MEM mod (mediterranian escorts mod).

11-14-06, 08:43 AM	#73
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Ok thanks.

11-15-06, 08:55 AM	#74
1mPHUNit0 Chief Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 313 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	What about going diagonal? It's the shorter pattern and the most closer to other point. Diagonal and not so slow ....but not from corner to corner from almost there to almost there....the boat must stay on the center all the time...in a central zone i mean. Or zig zag up down ....but the same ...stay central. Zig zag it's more long but it has less time holes...i mean it's more professonal....less lucky ..... if you are not lucky you have another chance in next swap nygm not a supermod but a working great mod!!! Buon coding Last edited by 1mPHUNit0; 11-15-06 at 09:52 AM.

11-15-06, 11:48 AM	#75
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I run diaganally across the grid, then down one side, diagonal again, then small diagonals dividing it into quarters, crossing vertically and horizontally once in a while, finally around the perimeter and then start all over again. I get dizzy once in a while, but I figure that's as good a pattern as any, and it always worked in AOD. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo