14-year old girl arrested by agents

Skybird · 10-14-06, 09:56 AM

http://www.welt.de/data/2006/10/14/1071835.html

This refers to an article from Friday in the Sacramento Bee, for which i do not have subscribed. A 14-year old girl had participated in a photographic collage of school children, showing Bush with a knife in his hand, and wriotten below was "Kill Bush". short after the site went online, agents of national security appeared in biology lessons and arrestzed her and led her away. During interrogation she did not allow to get intimidated (

) and insisted on not having planned to assassinate Bush, but wanting to protest against his policy, and that she completely dislike him. she said that she herself were a peace-loving person. the father of her said that while he does not accept a behavior like it was shown by his daughter when writing that subtitle, he also does not accept the behavior of the police and agents, brandmarking their action as exaggerated.

Hm, what was it with news-essages about routinely fingerprinting schoolchildren in Western countries, routinely taking genetic samples of them, and the widening of use of ID chips attached to clothing?

Coda · 10-14-06, 12:07 PM

In the US it's against the law to threaten anyones life.

It's against Federal law, the highest and most severe, to threaten the Presidents life. The US Secret Service, tasked with protecting the President, investigates all threats aimed at him.

"Arrested" is a term where the person is being detained. If you are stopped for a traffic violation, your freedom of movement is temporarily suspended, so technically you were "arrested".

It's not like they put her in prison for the threat, which is technically against the law. They just questioned her and investigated the threat. They have to, it's their job.

goldorak · 10-14-06, 12:23 PM

Wow so if I say kill Bush I will see hords of secret agents crossing the atlantic and sending me off to guantanamo or even some middle eastern country were i will get tortured ?

That is just another sign that the USA has completely lost its perspective on the modern world and society after the 2001 terrorist attacks.
What about the so called freedom of speech americans are so proud of ?
Arresting and interrogating a 14 year old girl as if she were a terrorist.
What has the world come to ?

The Avon Lady · 10-14-06, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

What about the so called freedom of speech americans are so proud of ?

What about it? Still very proud of it.

US freedom of speech laws are not an open license to advocate murder or to shout "fire" in a crowded theater.

I don't have any problems with this incident.

ASWnut101 · 10-14-06, 01:18 PM

no, if you did that out of country, you wouldn't be "hauled off to gitmo."

but if you are an american citizen, thats the law (what coda said).
You can't threaten ANYBODY'S life here, no matter who it is. just the way it is.

goldorak · 10-14-06, 01:41 PM

Give me a break, the little girl wasn't threatening anybody's life.
I'm completely astounded to see people in this thread that consider normal what happened to her.
American reactions are dicated by fear not by rationale.
Its as if the terrorists attacks in 2001 scared a very young nation, and now they have completely lost it.
The american government is lashing out at anybody under the impulse of fear.

The Avon Lady · 10-14-06, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

Give me a break, the little girl wasn't threatening anybody's life.

And you automatically knew this how?

Glad that this was much ado about nothing. So was investigating the girl.

Coda · 10-14-06, 01:51 PM

I only commented because I had a contact similar to this before.

While at work, two Secret Service agents approached me and asked me questions about a member of my staff. At first I thought it was a joke. Being approached by federal agents is something you see in movies, doesn’t happen very often. This was real.

This apparently “normal” person who worked amongst us was a member of a group called, (hmmm, maybe better to leave out the name). They planned on killing everyone in the Congress and Senate, then killing the president and overthrowing the US government.

The Secret Service was investigating his ties with the group and interviewed those of us who worked with him. It was quite disturbing.

Later that day I asked him if he was a member of this group. He said yes.

I told him it might be better to go practice on some third world country before deciding to eliminate one of the most powerful governments on earth.

Then I fired him. Not because he was a member of the group, because his actions created a disruption in the workplace and made those around him [and me] very uncomfortable.

Coda · 10-14-06, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

Give me a break, the little girl wasn't threatening anybody's life.

They had to check. Should they just ignore every threat? They had to investigate, and that's what they did. It's not like they tortured her, which does happen in other countries.

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Originally Posted by goldorak

I'm completely astounded to see people in this thread that consider normal what happened to her.

Nobody said it was normal. It's just procedure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

American reactions are dicated by fear not by rationale.

This reaction was dictated by law. The Secret Service has to investigate EVERY threat to the president.

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

The american government is lashing out at anybody under the impulse of fear.

I think everyone is just lashing out at America every chance they get. Taking a minor investigation like this and blowing it out of proportion.

Nobody was harmed, just questioned. If the same thing happened anywhere else, it wouldn't have been a headline.

SUBMAN1 · 10-14-06, 02:11 PM

I don't understand how people think that threatening the pres's life is not against the law? Try threatening the life of your own countries PM or Pres (posting it on the web for all to see of course!) and see what happens to you! I bet the US is nice as compared to many other countries!!!

-S

Fish · 10-14-06, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I don't understand how people think that threatening the pres's life is not against the law? Try threatening the life of your own countries PM or Pres (posting it on the web for all to see of course!) and see what happens to you! I bet the US is nice as compared to many other countries!!!

-S

Nothing wil happend to you in the Netherlands, well no arrest.

TteFAboB · 10-14-06, 02:33 PM

She got what she asked for. In her conception of the world, the opposition does not exist: it must be killed, eliminated, erradicated. Anybody who disagrees with this girl should be put to the knife. She does not guarantee the right of freedom of expression to anybody else but her.

I expect to hear from her again in 20 years or so, after she converts to Islam since Al-Qaeda probably has just found the replacement for Azzam the American.

Now, I guess she's being used as an example, or are they going after every kill Bush website owner out there? I expect her to be released with no charges, if the SS decides to take further action, then I'll have to start sending letters and e-mails daily to them pointing at CAIR & Friends where real assassins and terrorists can be found. These are currently walking free on the streets next to thousands of 14 year old girls.

I'd like to see the rest of the collages too and similar projects elsewhere, it would be extremely unfair if this is the outcome of a demented Arts & Crafts teacher.

Anyway, in my opinion the government, SS included, should stay far away from any school. The concern should be with the teachers who incite hatred or turn the classrooms into re-education camps. The rest of society can take care of the rest of it, thank you very much, no need for the state to interfere.

Sea Demon · 10-14-06, 02:58 PM

The Secret Service has been tasked to do these kind of investigations for decades. I don't know why it's such a shock now. I can only guess why it's being highlighted now however.

IceGrog · 10-14-06, 03:01 PM

US freedom of speech comes with costs, one of the costs is one stills needs to follow the law. As others have already said, here in the USA it’s against the law to threaten someone’s life.
“Give me a break, the little girl wasn't threatening anybody's life.” Again our country is one of laws, if it lets one get away with breaking the law then all would have the right to say why can’t I get away with it.

“I'm completely astounded to see people in this thread that consider normal what happened to her.” You make it sound like they took her out side and had her shot

I have more to say but some of you have already said it better.

VON_CAPO · 10-14-06, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldorak

Give me a break, the little girl wasn't threatening anybody's life.
I'm completely astounded to see people in this thread that consider normal what happened to her.
American reactions are dicated by fear not by rationale.
Its as if the terrorists attacks in 2001 scared a very young nation, and now they have completely lost it.
The american government is lashing out at anybody under the impulse of fear.

I agree.
Sadly, as you can see, there is plenty of fascist actitudes around.
And the worst thing is that there are a lot of "spin doctors" supporting this.

10-14-06, 09:56 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	14-year old girl arrested by agents http://www.welt.de/data/2006/10/14/1071835.html This refers to an article from Friday in the Sacramento Bee, for which i do not have subscribed. A 14-year old girl had participated in a photographic collage of school children, showing Bush with a knife in his hand, and wriotten below was "Kill Bush". short after the site went online, agents of national security appeared in biology lessons and arrestzed her and led her away. During interrogation she did not allow to get intimidated () and insisted on not having planned to assassinate Bush, but wanting to protest against his policy, and that she completely dislike him. she said that she herself were a peace-loving person. the father of her said that while he does not accept a behavior like it was shown by his daughter when writing that subtitle, he also does not accept the behavior of the police and agents, brandmarking their action as exaggerated. Hm, what was it with news-essages about routinely fingerprinting schoolchildren in Western countries, routinely taking genetic samples of them, and the widening of use of ID chips attached to clothing? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-14-06, 01:18 PM	#5
ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	no, if you did that out of country, you wouldn't be "hauled off to gitmo." but if you are an american citizen, thats the law (what coda said). You can't threaten ANYBODY'S life here, no matter who it is. just the way it is. __________________

10-14-06, 02:11 PM	#10
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't understand how people think that threatening the pres's life is not against the law? Try threatening the life of your own countries PM or Pres (posting it on the web for all to see of course!) and see what happens to you! I bet the US is nice as compared to many other countries!!! -S __________________

10-14-06, 02:33 PM	#12
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	She got what she asked for. In her conception of the world, the opposition does not exist: it must be killed, eliminated, erradicated. Anybody who disagrees with this girl should be put to the knife. She does not guarantee the right of freedom of expression to anybody else but her. I expect to hear from her again in 20 years or so, after she converts to Islam since Al-Qaeda probably has just found the replacement for Azzam the American. Now, I guess she's being used as an example, or are they going after every kill Bush website owner out there? I expect her to be released with no charges, if the SS decides to take further action, then I'll have to start sending letters and e-mails daily to them pointing at CAIR & Friends where real assassins and terrorists can be found. These are currently walking free on the streets next to thousands of 14 year old girls. I'd like to see the rest of the collages too and similar projects elsewhere, it would be extremely unfair if this is the outcome of a demented Arts & Crafts teacher. Anyway, in my opinion the government, SS included, should stay far away from any school. The concern should be with the teachers who incite hatred or turn the classrooms into re-education camps. The rest of society can take care of the rest of it, thank you very much, no need for the state to interfere. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

10-14-06, 03:01 PM	#14
IceGrog Engineer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA on the edge of the Pacific Posts: 217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	US freedom of speech comes with costs, one of the costs is one stills needs to follow the law. As others have already said, here in the USA it’s against the law to threaten someone’s life. “Give me a break, the little girl wasn't threatening anybody's life.” Again our country is one of laws, if it lets one get away with breaking the law then all would have the right to say why can’t I get away with it. “I'm completely astounded to see people in this thread that consider normal what happened to her.” You make it sound like they took her out side and had her shot I have more to say but some of you have already said it better. __________________ U-551 7th Flottille Laid down: 21 Nov, 1939, Blohm & Voss, Hamburg Commissioned: 7 Nov, 1940 Commander: Kptlt. IceGrog von Ritter Sunk: 12/11/1940, 01/01/1941, 10/16/1941, 01/16/1942, 08/04/1943 .................................................. .......... A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory

10-14-06, 12:07 PM	#2
Coda Medic Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 159 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In the US it's against the law to threaten anyones life. It's against Federal law, the highest and most severe, to threaten the Presidents life. The US Secret Service, tasked with protecting the President, investigates all threats aimed at him. "Arrested" is a term where the person is being detained. If you are stopped for a traffic violation, your freedom of movement is temporarily suspended, so technically you were "arrested". It's not like they put her in prison for the threat, which is technically against the law. They just questioned her and investigated the threat. They have to, it's their job.

10-14-06, 12:23 PM	#3
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wow so if I say kill Bush I will see hords of secret agents crossing the atlantic and sending me off to guantanamo or even some middle eastern country were i will get tortured ? That is just another sign that the USA has completely lost its perspective on the modern world and society after the 2001 terrorist attacks. What about the so called freedom of speech americans are so proud of ? Arresting and interrogating a 14 year old girl as if she were a terrorist. What has the world come to ?

10-14-06, 01:41 PM	#6
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Give me a break, the little girl wasn't threatening anybody's life. I'm completely astounded to see people in this thread that consider normal what happened to her. American reactions are dicated by fear not by rationale. Its as if the terrorists attacks in 2001 scared a very young nation, and now they have completely lost it. The american government is lashing out at anybody under the impulse of fear.

10-14-06, 01:51 PM	#8
Coda Medic Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 159 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I only commented because I had a contact similar to this before. While at work, two Secret Service agents approached me and asked me questions about a member of my staff. At first I thought it was a joke. Being approached by federal agents is something you see in movies, doesn’t happen very often. This was real. This apparently “normal” person who worked amongst us was a member of a group called, (hmmm, maybe better to leave out the name). They planned on killing everyone in the Congress and Senate, then killing the president and overthrowing the US government. The Secret Service was investigating his ties with the group and interviewed those of us who worked with him. It was quite disturbing. Later that day I asked him if he was a member of this group. He said yes. I told him it might be better to go practice on some third world country before deciding to eliminate one of the most powerful governments on earth. Then I fired him. Not because he was a member of the group, because his actions created a disruption in the workplace and made those around him [and me] very uncomfortable.

10-14-06, 02:58 PM	#13
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	The Secret Service has been tasked to do these kind of investigations for decades. I don't know why it's such a shock now. I can only guess why it's being highlighted now however.