What U S boats would you like to see added to SHIV - Page 2

NEON DEON · 09-15-06, 02:49 PM

I always thought when you re-did a game that you would seek to improve it.

Am I to understand that SH IV's idea to improve the game is by offering less variety than it's predecessor?

JU_88 · 09-18-06, 08:39 AM

Start a major whinning campaign about the S-boat and you might get one, it worked for the dynamic campaign in SH3 :rotfl:

DeepSix · 09-18-06, 10:14 PM

I'd like to see 'em all, too - realistically, though, I think S and V are the best choices to include (as 3rd party mods if the devs don't include them). S for sure. V because they were extremely active, even if they weren't ideal. I'm thinking about the announced "special missions" here - it was V boats that delivered Marine Raiders on their missions....

Two cents.

NEON DEON · 09-24-06, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepSix

I'd like to see 'em all, too - realistically, though, I think S and V are the best choices to include (as 3rd party mods if the devs don't include them). S for sure. V because they were extremely active, even if they weren't ideal. I'm thinking about the announced "special missions" here - it was V boats that delivered Marine Raiders on their missions....

Two cents.

It might be hard for UBI to implement all the V boats. I think the V boats would have been better named by X boats for experimental. Most of the sub classes of V boats vary widely in specs and performance.

I guess that would leave me wanting almost the same thing.

The S boats, Argonaut, Nautilus, and Narwhal:

Combined these boats had 214 war patrols, 72 battle stars and made up over one third of the U. S. sub force that started the war.

If SH IV was a baseball team, they would be missing the entire outfield from the starting lineup.

LZ_Baker · 09-24-06, 05:11 PM

I want to see as many as they can make!

Capt. D · 09-24-06, 05:15 PM

Quote:

It might be hard for UBI to implement all the V boats. I think the V boats would have been better named by X boats for experimental. Most of the sub classes of V boats vary widely in specs and performance.

I guess that would leave me wanting almost the same thing.

The S boats, Argonaut, Nautilus, and Narwhal:

Combined these boats had 214 war patrols, 72 battle stars and made up over one third of the U. S. sub force that started the war.

I believe the three V Class you listed had some impact regarding special ops both landing commandos or withdrawing them or VIPs from ememy held territory - Nautilus and Narwhal the most. I guess it will stand as to where the Devs regard the importance of these boats vs space and time to put them in. S-boats however should be a no brainer - hopefully!

USS Silversides SS236 9/23/2006
The most decorated surviving US sub from WWII

Control Room - Diving Stations

Forward Torpedo Room - opps got the fan!

Captain's Stateroom

Secondary helm - Contol Room

This was my third visit and I still am in awe!

Plan to visit the Cod for the second time soon.

Happy Hunitng

Jimbuna · 09-24-06, 06:24 PM

WOW...great photos Capt. D....can't wait till you post some more

Capt. D · 09-25-06, 08:11 AM

Thanks!

Wardroom - this is where the appendectomy took place on the table shown. This was part of the movie Destination Tokyo Bay with Cary Grant.

You can see a monitor on the counter. To the left is a control panel that will allow you to choose a video of information regarding the department you are in. They have this in the forward torpedo room, here in the wardroom, and one in the control room. You can not go up into the conning tower however the monitor system in the control room allows you to choose a video of the tower and it goes through much of the equipment in it.

Crew berth just aft the crew mess.

The boat needs TLC. Though the people involved with it work on it all the time they are now trying to get funds together ($500,00.00) to dry dock the boat. It seems a boat needed to be dry docked at least every 5 years if in salt water and this could be extended to every 25 years if in fresh water. Well, Lake Michigan is fresh water but the Silversides has not been in dry dock since 1951!!!!! You can also tell there is need for some scraping of paint and some more painting. They do say that the 4 diesel engines are in working order! A lot of the historical things that are part of the boat - camera used with the scope, logs etc. are located on the on site museum so are not on the boat. Also the boat has a overnight program for youth organizations.

"Christmas Tree" and diving manifold

Lunch anyone? Galley

Happy Hunting

NEON DEON · 10-04-06, 12:49 AM

O Class December 7, 1941:

USS O-2 (SS - 63) New London
USS O-3 (SS - 64) New London
USS O-4 (SS - 65) New London
USS O-6 (SS - 67) Portsmouth Navy Yard
USS O-7 (SS - 68) New London
USS O-8 (SS - 69) New London
USS O-10 (SS - 71) New London

% of overall sub force: 6.3%

Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 0 %

Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 100 %

War patrols: 0

Battle stars: 0

Number of class lost in WW II: 0 of 7; 0 %

Number of men Lost on O boats: 0

Last boat struck: October 11, 1945

Notes: These boats were used almost exclusively for training.

Sailor Steve · 10-04-06, 10:32 AM

I guess that means we should demand O-Boats, but only for the Academy scenarios.:rotfl:

NEON DEON · 10-04-06, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I guess that means we should demand O-Boats, but only for the Academy scenarios.:rotfl:

Or it could mean, I was just bumbing the thread using boat info as a shameful ruse to disguise my true motive.

BUMP!

Sailor Steve · 10-04-06, 04:56 PM

Oh, man, I hope Gizzmoe doesn't see this.

NEON DEON · 10-07-06, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEON DEON

O Class December 7, 1941:

USS O-2 (SS - 63) New London
USS O-3 (SS - 64) New London
USS O-4 (SS - 65) New London
USS O-6 (SS - 67) Portsmouth Navy Yard
USS O-7 (SS - 68) New London
USS O-8 (SS - 69) New London
USS O-10 (SS - 71) New London

% of overall sub force: 6.3%

Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 0 %

Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 100 %

War patrols: 0

Battle stars: 0

Number of class lost in WW II: 0 of 7; 0 %

Number of men Lost on O boats: 0

Last boat struck: October 11, 1945

Notes: These boats were used almost exclusively for training.

R Class December 7, 1941:

USS R-1 (SS - 78) New London
USS R-2 (SS - 79) Key West
USS R-4 (SS - 81) Key West
USS R-5 (SS - 82) New London
USS R-6 (SS - 83) New London
USS R-7 (SS - 84) ASW Patrol between New London and Bermuda
USS R-9 (SS - 86) New London
USS R-10 (SS - 87) Key West
USS R-11 (SS - 88) Key West
USS R-12 (SS - 89) New London
USS R-13 (SS - 90) Key West
USS R-14 (SS - 91) Key West
USS R-15 (SS - 92) ASW Patrol between New London and Bermuda
USS R-16 (SS - 93) En Route New London to Key West
USS R-17 (SS - 94) New London
USS R-18 (SS - 95) New London
USS R-19 (SS - 96) New London
USS R-20 (SS - 97) Key West

% of overall sub force: 16%

Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 0 %

Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 100 %

War patrols: 0

Battle stars: 0

Number of class lost in WW II: 1 of 18; 5.6 %

Number of men Lost on R boats: 42

Last boat struck: October 11, 1945

Notes: These boats were also assigned training duties. They did however make war patrols in the Atlantic and Caribbean during the U boat offensive in 1942. One boat got credit for 700 tons of damage on a U boat. The R 3 was decommissioned in late November 1941 and sent to Great Brittan under Lend Lease. This dropped the sub fleet to 111 from 112. In 1921, the R 14 ran out of fuel during a rescue operation. The crew rigged up a sail making it the only sub in the fleet to ever be powered by sail. The one R class lost in WW II was a result of a training accident.

NEON DEON · 10-14-06, 04:12 PM

S Class December 7, 1941:

USS S-1 (SS - 105) At Philadelphia
USS S-11 (SS - 116) At Coco Solo, PCZ
USS S-12 (SS - 117) At Coco Solo, PCZ
USS S-13 (SS - 118) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area)
USS S-14 (SS - 119) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area)
USS S-15 (SS - 120) At St. Thomas, AVI
USS S-16 (SS - 121) At St. Thomas, AVI
USS S-17 (SS - 122) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area)
USS S-18 (SS - 123) Mare Island or San Diego (not clear)
USS S-20 (SS - 125) New London
USS S-21 (SS - 126) New London
USS S-22 (SS - 127) Overhaul Key West
USS S-23 (SS - 128) Mare Island or San Diego (not clear)
USS S-24 (SS - 129) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area)
USS S-26 (SS - 131) En Route New London to Coco Solo, PCZ
USS S-27 (SS - 132) Overhaul Mare Island
USS S-28 (SS - 133) Overhaul Mare Island
USS S-29 (SS - 134) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area)
USS S-30 (SS - 135) Out of New London, Operating along New England Coast
USS S-31 (SS - 136) Overhaul Philadelphia
USS S-32 (SS - 137) New London
USS S-33 (SS - 138) Operating off Newfoundland (New London Based)
USS S-34 (SS - 139) San Diego
USS S-35 (SS - 140) San Diego
USS S-36 (SS - 141) Lingayen Gulf
USS S-37 (SS - 142) On patrol outside Manila Bay
USS S-38 (SS - 143) On patrol outside Manila Bay
USS S-39 (SS - 144) In San Bernadino Straits
USS S-40 (SS - 145) In Manila Bay
USS S-41 (SS - 146) In Manila Bay
USS S-42 (SS - 153) En Route Bermuda to Coco Solo
USS S-43 (SS - 154) Argentia, Newfoundland
USS S-44 (SS - 155) Overhaul Philadelphia
USS S-45 (SS - 156) Bermuda
USS S-46 (SS - 157) Bermuda
USS S-47 (SS - 158) Argentia, Newfoundland
USS S-48 (SS - 159) New London

% of overall sub force: 33%

Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 57 %

Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 43 %

War patrols: 181

Battle stars: 40

Tonnage claimed sunk/destroyed/damaged: 152,000

Number of class lost in WW II: 6 of 37; 16.2 %
Number of men Lost on S boats: 156

Last boat struck: August 25, 1947

Notes: The S boats were the largest submarine class in the fleet at the start of the war and comprised 1/3 of the total submarine fleet. The S class seemed to suffer from running into things. Of the 6 S boats lost in WW II, only one was due to enemy action. Three ran aground, one collided with a USN ship, and the last by accident during a training exercise off the coast of Hawaii.

NEON DEON · 10-21-06, 07:21 PM

V Class December 7, 1941:

USS Barracuda V-1 (SS - 163) Enroute New London to Panama
USS Bass V-2 (SS - 164) At Coco Solo, PCZ
USS Bonita V-3 (SS - 165) At Coco Solo, PCZ
USS Argonaut V-4 (SS - 166) On patrol off Midway
USS Narwhal V-5 (SS - 167) Pearl Harbor
USS Nautilus V-6 (SS - 168) Overhaul Mare Island
USS Dolphin V-7 (SS - 169) Pearl Harbor
USS Cachalot V-8 (SS - 170) Pearl Harbor
USS Cuttlefish V-9 (SS - 171) Overhaul Mare Island

% of overall sub force: 8%

Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 100 %

Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 0 %

War patrols: 56

Battle stars: 39

Tonnage claimed sunk/destroyed/damaged: 112,974

Number of class lost in WW II: 1 of 9; 11.1 %

Number of men Lost on V boats: 131

Last boat struck: October 24, 1945

Notes: The V boats varied widely in specifications. They ranged from 272 feet in length (Cachalot and Cuttlefish) to 381 feet (Argonaut).

The Big boats Argonaut, Narwhal, and Nautilus were awarded 32 out of 39 battle stars given to the V class during WW II. These boats also carried the biggest guns aboard a U S Navy submarine. Two 6 inch 53 caliber cannons(you can still see the Narwhal's guns on display at the Naval Submarine Base New London, in Groton, Connecticut).

The Nautilus and Narwhal could carry 100 marines and 100 tons of cargo and were used extensively throughout the war for special ops missions: They destroyed an oil depot by gun fire; shelled an enemy airfield diverting attention away from a U S mini-wolf pack thus enabling it to exit the sea of Japan; invaded an enemy held island while destroying it’s garrison by naval gunfire; Raided Maikin island with Marines and supported raid with gun fire while sinking 2 ships in the lagoon again by gun fire; landed scouts in the Aleutians; inserted coast watchers; evacuated VIPs, civilians and POWs; recon missions; re-supplied Philippine rebels; as well as destroying enemy shipping.

View Poll Results: What US boats would you like added to SH IV?
S boats	29	36.71%
S & V boats	7	8.86%
S,V, & R boats	4	5.06%
S,V,R, & O boats	32	40.51%
NONE. SHIV boat selection is perfect!	7	8.86%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

09-18-06, 10:14 PM	#18
DeepSix Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Music City Posts: 683 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I'd like to see 'em all, too - realistically, though, I think S and V are the best choices to include (as 3rd party mods if the devs don't include them). S for sure. V because they were extremely active, even if they weren't ideal. I'm thinking about the announced "special missions" here - it was V boats that delivered Marine Raiders on their missions.... Two cents. __________________ Jack's happy days will soon be gone, To return again, oh never! For they've raised his pay five cents a day, But they've stopped his grog forever. For tonight we'll merry, merry be, For tonight we'll merry, merry be, For tonight we'll merry, merry be, But tomorrow we'll be sober. - "Farewell to Grog"

09-24-06, 05:11 PM	#20
LZ_Baker Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 213 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	I want to see as many as they can make! __________________

09-24-06, 06:24 PM	#22
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	WOW...great photos Capt. D....can't wait till you post some more __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-25-06, 08:11 AM	#23
Capt. D Helmsman Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Warren, Michigan Posts: 109 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Thanks! Wardroom - this is where the appendectomy took place on the table shown. This was part of the movie Destination Tokyo Bay with Cary Grant. You can see a monitor on the counter. To the left is a control panel that will allow you to choose a video of information regarding the department you are in. They have this in the forward torpedo room, here in the wardroom, and one in the control room. You can not go up into the conning tower however the monitor system in the control room allows you to choose a video of the tower and it goes through much of the equipment in it. Crew berth just aft the crew mess. The boat needs TLC. Though the people involved with it work on it all the time they are now trying to get funds together ($500,00.00) to dry dock the boat. It seems a boat needed to be dry docked at least every 5 years if in salt water and this could be extended to every 25 years if in fresh water. Well, Lake Michigan is fresh water but the Silversides has not been in dry dock since 1951!!!!! You can also tell there is need for some scraping of paint and some more painting. They do say that the 4 diesel engines are in working order! A lot of the historical things that are part of the boat - camera used with the scope, logs etc. are located on the on site museum so are not on the boat. Also the boat has a overnight program for youth organizations. "Christmas Tree" and diving manifold Lunch anyone? Galley Happy Hunting Last edited by Capt. D; 09-25-06 at 08:14 AM.

09-15-06, 02:49 PM	#16
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	I always thought when you re-did a game that you would seek to improve it. Am I to understand that SH IV's idea to improve the game is by offering less variety than it's predecessor?

09-18-06, 08:39 AM	#17
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Start a major whinning campaign about the S-boat and you might get one, it worked for the dynamic campaign in SH3 :rotfl:

10-04-06, 12:49 AM	#24
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	O boats. O Class December 7, 1941: USS O-2 (SS - 63) New London USS O-3 (SS - 64) New London USS O-4 (SS - 65) New London USS O-6 (SS - 67) Portsmouth Navy Yard USS O-7 (SS - 68) New London USS O-8 (SS - 69) New London USS O-10 (SS - 71) New London % of overall sub force: 6.3% Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 0 % Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 100 % War patrols: 0 Battle stars: 0 Number of class lost in WW II: 0 of 7; 0 % Number of men Lost on O boats: 0 Last boat struck: October 11, 1945 Notes: These boats were used almost exclusively for training.

10-04-06, 10:32 AM	#25
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I guess that means we should demand O-Boats, but only for the Academy scenarios.:rotfl: __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-04-06, 04:56 PM	#27
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Oh, man, I hope Gizzmoe doesn't see this. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-14-06, 04:12 PM	#29
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	S Class boats S Class December 7, 1941: USS S-1 (SS - 105) At Philadelphia USS S-11 (SS - 116) At Coco Solo, PCZ USS S-12 (SS - 117) At Coco Solo, PCZ USS S-13 (SS - 118) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area) USS S-14 (SS - 119) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area) USS S-15 (SS - 120) At St. Thomas, AVI USS S-16 (SS - 121) At St. Thomas, AVI USS S-17 (SS - 122) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area) USS S-18 (SS - 123) Mare Island or San Diego (not clear) USS S-20 (SS - 125) New London USS S-21 (SS - 126) New London USS S-22 (SS - 127) Overhaul Key West USS S-23 (SS - 128) Mare Island or San Diego (not clear) USS S-24 (SS - 129) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area) USS S-26 (SS - 131) En Route New London to Coco Solo, PCZ USS S-27 (SS - 132) Overhaul Mare Island USS S-28 (SS - 133) Overhaul Mare Island USS S-29 (SS - 134) At Coco Solo, PCZ (Operating area) USS S-30 (SS - 135) Out of New London, Operating along New England Coast USS S-31 (SS - 136) Overhaul Philadelphia USS S-32 (SS - 137) New London USS S-33 (SS - 138) Operating off Newfoundland (New London Based) USS S-34 (SS - 139) San Diego USS S-35 (SS - 140) San Diego USS S-36 (SS - 141) Lingayen Gulf USS S-37 (SS - 142) On patrol outside Manila Bay USS S-38 (SS - 143) On patrol outside Manila Bay USS S-39 (SS - 144) In San Bernadino Straits USS S-40 (SS - 145) In Manila Bay USS S-41 (SS - 146) In Manila Bay USS S-42 (SS - 153) En Route Bermuda to Coco Solo USS S-43 (SS - 154) Argentia, Newfoundland USS S-44 (SS - 155) Overhaul Philadelphia USS S-45 (SS - 156) Bermuda USS S-46 (SS - 157) Bermuda USS S-47 (SS - 158) Argentia, Newfoundland USS S-48 (SS - 159) New London % of overall sub force: 33% Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 57 % Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 43 % War patrols: 181 Battle stars: 40 Tonnage claimed sunk/destroyed/damaged: 152,000 Number of class lost in WW II: 6 of 37; 16.2 % Number of men Lost on S boats: 156 Last boat struck: August 25, 1947 Notes: The S boats were the largest submarine class in the fleet at the start of the war and comprised 1/3 of the total submarine fleet. The S class seemed to suffer from running into things. Of the 6 S boats lost in WW II, only one was due to enemy action. Three ran aground, one collided with a USN ship, and the last by accident during a training exercise off the coast of Hawaii.

10-21-06, 07:21 PM	#30
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	V Class boats V Class December 7, 1941: USS Barracuda V-1 (SS - 163) Enroute New London to Panama USS Bass V-2 (SS - 164) At Coco Solo, PCZ USS Bonita V-3 (SS - 165) At Coco Solo, PCZ USS Argonaut V-4 (SS - 166) On patrol off Midway USS Narwhal V-5 (SS - 167) Pearl Harbor USS Nautilus V-6 (SS - 168) Overhaul Mare Island USS Dolphin V-7 (SS - 169) Pearl Harbor USS Cachalot V-8 (SS - 170) Pearl Harbor USS Cuttlefish V-9 (SS - 171) Overhaul Mare Island % of overall sub force: 8% Percentage of class in Pacific/PCZ: 100 % Percentage of class in N & S Atlantic/Caribbean: 0 % War patrols: 56 Battle stars: 39 Tonnage claimed sunk/destroyed/damaged: 112,974 Number of class lost in WW II: 1 of 9; 11.1 % Number of men Lost on V boats: 131 Last boat struck: October 24, 1945 Notes: The V boats varied widely in specifications. They ranged from 272 feet in length (Cachalot and Cuttlefish) to 381 feet (Argonaut). The Big boats Argonaut, Narwhal, and Nautilus were awarded 32 out of 39 battle stars given to the V class during WW II. These boats also carried the biggest guns aboard a U S Navy submarine. Two 6 inch 53 caliber cannons(you can still see the Narwhal's guns on display at the Naval Submarine Base New London, in Groton, Connecticut). The Nautilus and Narwhal could carry 100 marines and 100 tons of cargo and were used extensively throughout the war for special ops missions: They destroyed an oil depot by gun fire; shelled an enemy airfield diverting attention away from a U S mini-wolf pack thus enabling it to exit the sea of Japan; invaded an enemy held island while destroying it’s garrison by naval gunfire; Raided Maikin island with Marines and supported raid with gun fire while sinking 2 ships in the lagoon again by gun fire; landed scouts in the Aleutians; inserted coast watchers; evacuated VIPs, civilians and POWs; recon missions; re-supplied Philippine rebels; as well as destroying enemy shipping. Last edited by NEON DEON; 02-27-09 at 04:19 PM.