Russia objects to Nato expansion - Page 2

Oberon · 10-05-06, 09:15 AM

Encroaching on Russia is a bad idea, Russia may be a shadow of what it was during the USSR days, but that does not mean you should back it into a corner. Giving assistance and increasing trade with the former WP states is a good idea, bringing them all the way into NATO, not a brilliant idea...yet.

TteFAboB · 10-05-06, 09:41 AM

Who said I want Georgia in NATO? Sure, Ukraine can come, but Georgia?

For all I care Russia and Georgia deserve each other equally.

Of course, since I'm not a General or anything, it doesn't matter what I want or not.

Konovalov · 10-05-06, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Who said I want Georgia in NATO? Sure, Ukraine can come, but Georgia?

For all I care Russia and Georgia deserve each other equally.

Of course, since I'm not a General or anything, it doesn't matter what I want or not.

Throw Georgia in a pool full of Stingrays hey TteFAboB?

Immacolata · 10-05-06, 09:55 AM

I think Russia fears its options diminish, that is why it does not like NATO encroaching on its neighbours. With NATO there is no more coercion like what we see being done to Georgia. In this situation Georgia is in a kind of Neville vs Hitler situation. No matter what Georgia does or doesn't do it will be irrelevant as Russia prepares to take the steps it believes are necessary.

TteFAboB · 10-05-06, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Who said I want Georgia in NATO? Sure, Ukraine can come, but Georgia?

For all I care Russia and Georgia deserve each other equally.

Of course, since I'm not a General or anything, it doesn't matter what I want or not.

Throw Georgia in a pool full of Stingrays hey TteFAboB?

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yahoshua · 10-05-06, 06:11 PM

Can anyone please tell me what government Russia is now operated by since Putin now has absolute control of both the military and the public media?

Oberon · 10-06-06, 05:56 AM

The government of Deja Vu?

fredbass · 10-06-06, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

The government of Deja Vu?

:p

Russia has been swimming in rough waters for some time now. I hope that what seems like a desperate situation doesnt result in unfortunate desperate actions.

Oberon · 10-06-06, 06:33 AM

Indeed....Russia needs a strong leader like Putin to pull itself back together...what it doesn't need is a return to the old Soviet days where more money was spent on military expansion than public resources, and Pravda was gospel. It's a helluva mess and I don't envy Putin one bit, but he's got to play this carefully...

Fish · 10-06-06, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

You see ever since the collapse of the USSR the primary reason to be for NATO has ceased to exist, yet Russia is still made out to be the bad boy, after a while it responds by acting to type, happens with people happens with countries.

I wonder what would happen if Russia started building a military alliance with countries on America's border, eg Mexico et al? Would the US not bitch and moan.

Why does Russia care? Why does NATO need to expand? Just like I'll admit Russia is paranoid about NATO so the western countries are of Russia. I can't see Russia making a move against NATO or former republics same as NATO won't move against Russia. The thing is the paranoia remains on both sides.

Cuba.

Happy Times · 10-08-06, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by fredbass

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Originally Posted by Oberon

The government of Deja Vu?

:p

Russia has been swimming in rough waters for some time now. I hope that what seems like a desperate situation doesnt result in unfortunate desperate actions.

" Hunt for Russia reporter's killer

Russian prosecutors investigating the murder of a prominent journalist say they believe her death could be linked to her investigative reporting.

Anna Politkovskaya was found shot dead on Saturday in a lift at her apartment block in the Russian capital, Moscow.

[...]"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4801601.stm

Yahoshua · 10-08-06, 10:06 AM

Rossiya television quoted police who said Ms Politkovskaya had been shot three times in the body and once in the head.

A pistol and four bullet cartridges were found near her body.

It's obvious it's a hit.

And a sloppy job of it at that.

10-05-06, 09:41 AM	#17
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Who said I want Georgia in NATO? Sure, Ukraine can come, but Georgia? For all I care Russia and Georgia deserve each other equally. Of course, since I'm not a General or anything, it doesn't matter what I want or not. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

10-05-06, 09:55 AM	#19
Immacolata Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 798 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I think Russia fears its options diminish, that is why it does not like NATO encroaching on its neighbours. With NATO there is no more coercion like what we see being done to Georgia. In this situation Georgia is in a kind of Neville vs Hitler situation. No matter what Georgia does or doesn't do it will be irrelevant as Russia prepares to take the steps it believes are necessary. __________________ "The power of the executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious, and the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist." - W. Churchill

10-05-06, 06:11 PM	#21
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Can anyone please tell me what government Russia is now operated by since Putin now has absolute control of both the military and the public media? __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

10-08-06, 10:06 AM	#27
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Rossiya television quoted police who said Ms Politkovskaya had been shot three times in the body and once in the head. A pistol and four bullet cartridges were found near her body. It's obvious it's a hit. And a sloppy job of it at that. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

10-05-06, 09:15 AM	#16
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Encroaching on Russia is a bad idea, Russia may be a shadow of what it was during the USSR days, but that does not mean you should back it into a corner. Giving assistance and increasing trade with the former WP states is a good idea, bringing them all the way into NATO, not a brilliant idea...yet.

10-06-06, 05:56 AM	#22
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The government of Deja Vu?

10-06-06, 06:33 AM	#24
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Indeed....Russia needs a strong leader like Putin to pull itself back together...what it doesn't need is a return to the old Soviet days where more money was spent on military expansion than public resources, and Pravda was gospel. It's a helluva mess and I don't envy Putin one bit, but he's got to play this carefully...