The split-away crumbs of the hijacked swastika thread

[HunterICX]

Please, create a thread about this in place of hijacking this.
knock it off.

This is about the swastika,
Not america's corrupt governement
nor the finish related as german allies
and not even the japanese.

if you want an Debate about this create an new thread somewhere else

Thanks

[_Seth_]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Please, create a thread about this in place of hijacking this.
knock it off.

This is about the swastika,
Not america's corrupt governement
nor the finish related as german allies
and not even the japanese.

if you want an Debate about this create an new thread somewhere else

Thanks

Hear hear!!

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Deputy

Maybe so. But when you start throwing insults at a person's country, emotions are bound to be stirred up. If you dish it out, you have to be able to take it.

Dep

Please, show me even ONE insult I made towards your country.

PS. Before this post:

Good grief! Nasty old America waging war on the world's enemies. Shame on us! I think next time any country/continent get's it's butt in a sling, America should just remain neutral and let those countries sort it out themselves. Wave those peace flags at the next invader and see how effective they are.

War is hell and that's as it SHOULD be. And WW2 brought hell to the civilians who used to sit back and watch soldiers kill each other while waving patriotic flags and sending even more young men out to die. I'm happy as can be that civilians are now in the bullseye. Maybe the flag-waving patriots will be less motivated to declare war if they realize THEY could be dead too. Just do all us "terrorist" Americans a favor and DON'T call us or ask us for aid the next time the poop hits the air mover. We're sick of pulling the fat out of the fire for those who turn ungrateful after the war has ended and they are no longer in danger thanks to the USA.

Dep

[Deputy]

I will abide by the forum's request and discontinue my off topic posts.

Dep

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by Deputy

[BTW...wasn't Finland an ALLY of Germany in WW2?
Sieg Heil.

Dep

Deputy, what the hell are you thinking!?!

Go somewhere else if you want to post crap like that!

[Deputy]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Deputy, what the hell are you thinking!?!

Go somewhere else if you want to post crap like that!

A bit more specific if you don't mind. Are you referring to the fact Finland had an alliance with Nazi Germany or the little needle about Seig Heil? Sorry for the first misspelling, BTW. Look Tex...like I said before...if you dish it out you have to be able to take it.

Here's an interesting factoid:

SS-Volunteer Battalion Nordost
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Finnish Volunteer Battalion of the SS)

The Finnisches Freiwilligen-Bataillon der Waffen-SS was a Finnish volunteer combat battalion of the German Waffen SS. It saw action on the Eastern Front during World War II.
Formed in 1941 as SS Freiwilligen-Battalion Nordost the battalion was made up of 1200 Finnish volunteers who had signed to fight against Soviet Union for two years. While many Finns were already serving with the SS-Division (mot) Wiking, the battalion differed in that it was staffed with Finnish officers and NCOs (Wiking being commanded by Germans).
After initial training in Vienna the battalion was transferred to Stralsund in June 1941 and at the beginning of August to the infantry barracks at Gross-Born, Pomerania, for more training and where it was attached to SS Division (mot) Wiking.
The battalion was sent to the Eastern front in January 1942 and took part on battles along the Mius River and later in the Caucasus campaign of 1942, forming the vanguard of the furthest south made by the Germans during the campaign, reaching the Grozny oil fields before finally being pushed back by the Soviets.
In May 1943 the battalion was transferred away from the front, as the two years was at an end, and was disbanded in July 1943. Those members of the battalion who wanted to stay in Waffen-SS joined SS Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier Division Nordland or SS-Standarte Kurt Eggers.
The battalion was praised by many Waffen-SS commanders and even Himmler, who said "Where a Finnish SS-man stood, enemy was always defeated."

I would bet those guys didn't whine about fighting under the swastika flag.

Dep

[Dowly]

And what does that last post of yours proof? That there are VOLUNTEERS amongst Finns? :p

And I ask again, how did I insult your country?

[Pants]

Could say the same regarding "Some" britsh that joined the Waffen SS "Free Corps"
But i would never use a derogatory remark like "seig heil"
Instead of polluting the forums with racist crap please do it via PM as the vast majority dont want to read stuff like this, and before you say "WELL dont read the thread then" the thread was hijacked.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

@Deputy,
Himmler spewed lots of CRAP (as did all governments involved) for the the sake of morale and propaganda.

You know damn well to what I refer.

I refer to your disrespect of the spirit of this forum and your disrespect of Dowly...

... and anyone who calls me "Tex" or implies that Dowly is a Nazi or Nazi Sympathizer should be happy that he is not meeting with me in person today.

You should be banned for the kind of craptacular mess you are making here here.

Leave your politics and baiting at home.

I'm done with you... Say whatever you like... Its all crap.

WWII is over buddy. Neither Dowly, nor anyone else here should be made to bear that cross.

Feel free to play in your pile of poo.

GGGrrrrr @ Deputy


Why U drop D Sieg Heil-bomb on Dowly?!?! He just wanted to know why Stalin doesn't get the same attention Hitler gets.

It was me that started the America vs. Japan because I too believe that no one had clean hands in WWII and that the world so easily pins the tag of "bad guy" on Hitler way too often when there were other bad people in this world who killed just as many or more people than Hitler did.

Yes, Dowly was OT with his post and so was I, but he DID NOT offened America. I am an American and I wasn't offened so therefore you MUST be the one starting the crap. No one had a problem with any of it till you came blabbering in.

Honestly, I think it was YOU that insulted Finland (and Dowly cause he Finnish), by calling his country Nazi supporters and then using the Sieg Heil bomb on Dowly himself as if he was a Nazi. You did this twice in two seperate posts.

Shame on you

[Crawlerz]

:hmm: [quote=shegeek72]Since I created a Grey Wolves sig using it, and found out it's prohibited in Germany, I wanted to get feedback from you guys. I realize SH3 is just a game and the swastika has been used as a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism and occurs in other Asian, European, African and Native American cultures, there may be some who find it offensive (even though it used in the game). If so, I'll remove it from my sig.

well, herein u said a mouthful. 1st of all, yes swastikas are sacred, even protective symbols, in several ancient cultures. they R prohibited in Germany thou becouse (u can guess why, cant u?) - as if that would stop a hypothetical 4th REICH!
i beleive in historical accuracy. wether on my model airplanes or on Uboats ingame, i think what needs to be there, needs to be there. (and i have lost many relatives in the war, since most - i think all - russian families were touched by the great war.) and althou i cant bring myself to always fly german bf109s in forgotten battles (gr8 game!!! ) i still think a game with ONLY german submarines, should be DEFINITELY historically acurate.
thts my $0.02
edit -- heated opinions, huh? 9/11 should not be discussed her, but the animals that did it should burn until crispy original recipy. i lost relatives in the great war. i also had relatives imprisoned under Stalin. they R both SAME $H|T!!! both are nazis and mass murderers!
KPT. said it best - play in the pile of poo u've created!
sieg heil? r u kidding me? wtf did that come from?

edit - edit -- Dep should be kiked from the forum and america should immideately withdraw from iraq/afganistan! (and that's sayin' not coz i like those animals - i h8 them - i'd fight em myself - i just cant stand to see a 2nd vietnam on our hands for NO APPARENT reason!!!)
anywhere there is a discussion about swastikas u'll find such battle/arguments. it just stands for something evil. but really they (Nazis) hijaked the protective symbol turning it into one of hate.

[VON_CAPO]

This thread is degenerating like a Ubi one.

It would be nice if each participant tempers itself.

[Dowly]

Like SubSerpent pointed out on page 6, the toll is 379,776 atm. But why civilian targets? Why not bomb military bases? It would not kill as much as hitting civilian target, but the seeing what the bombs can do would surely make any country surrender.

[SkvyWvr]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Like SubSerpent pointed out on page 6, the toll is 379,776 atm. But why civilian targets? Why not bomb military bases? It would not kill as much as hitting civilian target, but the seeing what the bombs can do would surely make any country surrender.

I guess the figure depends on where you find it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_...a_and_Nagasaki

As for the targets, have you ever been to Japan? I have, and I lived there for 3 years. Nowhere on those islands can you put a military installation that isn't adjacent to or surrounded by a civilian center.

Originally Posted by SkvyWvr

I guess the figure depends on where you find it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_...a_and_Nagasaki

As for the targets, have you ever been to Japan? I have, and I lived there for 3 years. Nowhere on those islands can you put a military installation that isn't adjacent to or surrounded by a civilian center.

The website I got my information at (on page 6 of this thread) clearly states

214,000 people died within four months of the bombings. Thousands of Hibakusha ("explosion affected people") died in the years to follow--every August, Japan publishes new figures. Last year, the toll came to 379,776 people who have died directly as a result of the bombs. Most of these people were civilians, living in a city left more or less alone throughout the war. (Some historians have suggested that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were deliberately left intact to measure the full power of the bombs, something which assumes that the use of nuclear weapons was a fait accompli.)

Obviously, the death toll is still being counted! The bombs will contiue to affect people for many years to come!

Also, the bombs were admitted by US officials to be used on the innocent Japanese to deter (to instill fear?) a continuation of fighting with the US!

Those two bombs have nearly wiped out as many Japanese innocents than all the men the US lost during the entire war (including the Europe theater and the Pacific theater) US estimates about 450,000 US soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, died during the entire war.