Pentagon airplane? - Page 2

Torplexed · 08-26-06, 06:06 PM

Okay, here are some questions for those that think that something other than a plane hit the Pentagon.

The official version states that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Others have put forth different theories, such as a cruise missile, truck bomb, or other aircraft. If any of these are true, where the heck did Flight 77 vanish to as others have asked?

The only answer that makes sense is that the plane was flown to a remote location, completely off radar (somehow) and all crew and passengers were killed. Either that or all of them, including the news agency (CNN?) staffer that was the first to be identified as a passenger on that flight, were ALL in on it. If anyone on the flight was not in on it, then why would they remain silent about what really happened?

If 'They' had really intended to liquidate all the passengers on the plane in the first place, why not just use the plane that was supposed to be used?

This is why I have such a hard time with these theories. If it was a government conspiracy to hit the Pentagon, why not just have 5 guys from the government do what (most of) the rest of the world believed happened in the first place. Adding military planes and weapons to the mix, then having to dispose of Flight AA77 so completely is where any talk of a conspiracy here falls apart for me.

It would seem to me that the most basic principle in ANY conspiracy would be to make the actual events fit the lie as closely as possible.

Ishmael · 08-26-06, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

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Originally Posted by Fish

Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

The first rule of the internet should be : do not discuss with conspiracy believers. :rotfl:
Nothing you will say, not even if you point out inconsistencies in their reasoning will make them change their mind.

I had issues with conspiracy believers on the following topics :

- kursk was sunk by an american depleted uranium torpedo. :rotfl:
- the americans never went to the moon :rotfl:
- aliens are the originators of the ancient civilizations (in central america, southeast asia etc...)
- 9/11 was created by the americans
-ufo's and aliens are kept in area 51

and i learned the best way to maintain sanity is simply to ignore such threads.

Some lines from an old Firesign Theatre album:

1. Dogs flew spaceships
2. The Aztecs invented the vacation
3. Our forefathers took drugs
4. Men and women are the same sex
5. Your brain is not the boss

Yes, that's right.

Everything You Know Is Wrong.

sonar732 · 08-27-06, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

That's useless Avon.

The people who want to believe in a conspiracy will behave like "Dory" from "Finding Nemo":

"A TLAM! Yes I've seen a TLAM!"

"No, no! It was a plane!"

"Plane? Yes plane! I've seen a plane! But they blew the pentagon with a truck! Hey you! Over here! Sir, can you tell me, have you seen the helicopter that crashed on the pentagon?"

I've seen this movie sooo many times with my kids that it almost makes me sick to agree with you on the point! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

John Pancoast · 08-28-06, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok.

But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science

goldorak · 08-28-06, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science

Unless Al Quaeda is a us government shadow group.
How can one man escape the entire us military chasing him ? The answer : because he doesn't exist.

Al Quaeda is the united states maskirovka.
He's just a convienient cover up for the shadow government to strip little by little us citizens of their liberty and instaure a fascist dictatorship in the land of brave.
Now, hows that for a little consipracy theory ? :rotfl:

John Pancoast · 08-28-06, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science

Unless Al Quaeda is a us government shadow group.
How can one man escape the entire us military chasing him ? The answer : because he doesn't exist.

Al Quaeda is the united states maskirovka.
He's just a convienient cover up for the shadow government to strip little by little us citizens of their liberty and instaure a fascist dictatorship in the land of brave.
Now, hows that for a little consipracy theory ? :rotfl:

That's a good one, no doubt

drEaPer · 08-28-06, 09:12 PM

just one question: why are the several camera video tapes (that should show the approaching plane) still not given out to the public for review?

John Pancoast · 08-28-06, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by drEaPer

just one question: why are the several camera video tapes (that should show the approaching plane) still not given out to the public for review?

Assuming such tapes even exist, ask the Pentagon

Most likely, no one here would know for sure, and would only be giving opinions.

SkvyWvr · 08-29-06, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

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Originally Posted by Fish

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok.

But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

Not a conspiracy nut either, but the Pentagon still bothers me. I cant just believe that a boeing 757 can vaporize like that. Yes, there was some parts, like the piece of turbine (which is awfully small for a boeing 757 turbine part). There are no proof that it wasn´t the flight 77, nor there are almost nothing to prove it was flight 77.

Good point. They fired a missle with small aircraft parts tied to it.:rotfl:

The Avon Lady · 08-29-06, 09:10 AM

I can't believe there are still people out here thinking conspiracies.

, doubting Thomases!

John Pancoast · 08-29-06, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

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Originally Posted by Fish

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok.

But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

Not a conspiracy nut either, but the Pentagon still bothers me. I cant just believe that a boeing 757 can vaporize like that. Yes, there was some parts, like the piece of turbine (which is awfully small for a boeing 757 turbine part). There are no proof that it wasn´t the flight 77, nor there are almost nothing to prove it was flight 77.

Then all the funerals the families had were staged I guess

Fish · 08-29-06, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish

First I don't believe in the conspiracy idea. Some of you should say I am naive , ok.

But, is there someone on this forum who can make a educated guess, how many people should be needed to fire a TLam in the Pentagon? From start to finish, you need a weapon first, cant buy in the local store.
Second question, is it posible in the US to fake a boeing 757-200 flight 77 (I think it was), meaning you can tell the press there was a boeing while in real there was none.
I think press has come with story's of funerals and familie, isn't it?
Questions are because I have a debate on a Dutch forum with some conspiracy believers.

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science

The "clowns" claims it's a fake video.

Fish · 08-29-06, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by John Pancoast

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Originally Posted by goldorak

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Pancoast

One simple fact beats all the conspiracy clowns theories down; Al Quada has claimed full responsibility for all the flights.

It really ain't rocket science

Unless Al Quaeda is a us government shadow group.
How can one man escape the entire us military chasing him ? The answer : because he doesn't exist.

Al Quaeda is the united states maskirovka.
He's just a convienient cover up for the shadow government to strip little by little us citizens of their liberty and instaure a fascist dictatorship in the land of brave.
Now, hows that for a little consipracy theory ? :rotfl:

That's a good one, no doubt

See my post about a police state.

Fish · 08-29-06, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I can't believe there are still people out here thinking conspiracies.

, doubting Thomases!

Google 9/11

One for you Avon.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

Fish · 08-29-06, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

I can't believe there are still people out here thinking conspiracies.

, doubting Thomases!

Google 9/11

One for you Avon.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

08-26-06, 06:06 PM	#16
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Okay, here are some questions for those that think that something other than a plane hit the Pentagon. The official version states that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Others have put forth different theories, such as a cruise missile, truck bomb, or other aircraft. If any of these are true, where the heck did Flight 77 vanish to as others have asked? The only answer that makes sense is that the plane was flown to a remote location, completely off radar (somehow) and all crew and passengers were killed. Either that or all of them, including the news agency (CNN?) staffer that was the first to be identified as a passenger on that flight, were ALL in on it. If anyone on the flight was not in on it, then why would they remain silent about what really happened? If 'They' had really intended to liquidate all the passengers on the plane in the first place, why not just use the plane that was supposed to be used? This is why I have such a hard time with these theories. If it was a government conspiracy to hit the Pentagon, why not just have 5 guys from the government do what (most of) the rest of the world believed happened in the first place. Adding military planes and weapons to the mix, then having to dispose of Flight AA77 so completely is where any talk of a conspiracy here falls apart for me. It would seem to me that the most basic principle in ANY conspiracy would be to make the actual events fit the lie as closely as possible. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

08-29-06, 09:10 AM	#25
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I can't believe there are still people out here thinking conspiracies. , doubting Thomases! __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

08-28-06, 09:12 PM	#22
drEaPer Navy Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 176 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	just one question: why are the several camera video tapes (that should show the approaching plane) still not given out to the public for review?