No S-Class?

[Zachstar]

Used the other as a template.

DD: Silent Hunter IV aims to give an accurate representation of the US submarine campaign against Japan. Taking both this, and our own development schedule, into consideration, we chose the most representative US fleet boat classes: P-class, Tambor, Salmon, and Gato. Of course, each of them will come with several development variations."

This is not cool in the least bit! In SH3 you got small coastal style boats with limited rangle and torpedo load to start with. I don't find it fair in the least bit! I wanted to start the war in an S-Class sub..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...lass_submarine

http://www.valoratsea.com/Sclass1.htm





Virtual Sailor add-on by TLAM Strike

Do ya think we might be able to add in in with mods this time?

[Safe-Keeper]

I suppose I'll just have to port the Type II:p.

But yes, this is pretty disappointing. I loved the Type II, and I love "underdog" vessels in general. Hopefully someone will mod it in, or maybe a patch, booster-pack or expansion-pack will add it.

I agree. I may start having reservation about my unqualified excitement. No 'S-Boat' may even lead to my questioning how badly I want to play the game.

[Safe-Keeper]

It's understandable somehow, though. How much of your time in Silent Hunter III was spent in a Type II? Your first two or three patrols and two academy missions. No single-player missions, nearly no patrols, and probably not that many multi-player sorties.

Sure, in Grey Wolves I've undertaken 25 patrols in a Type II (first a II-A, then a II-D), but in the Vanilla game, nearly nothing. And I fear this is how most players want it. Personally I love the Type II for its charm, underdog appeal, and realism (it seems far more real than the other boats to me due to its "simplistic" and cramped appearance), but I fear that most players will prefer the "real" submarines over it.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Vanila?

Vanilla=Stock game, like vanilla ice cream with nothing on it.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Vanila?

Vanilla = unmodded.

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Hey I like Vanila!

[Rab09]

In the fall of 1941, Subs based out of Manila Bay were; siw S-class, seven P-class and tweleve Salmons. No Tambor class boats at all. While in Pearl Harbor there were; six old V-boats, three P-boats and six of the new Tambor class boats. The V-boats played an important roll through out the war and S-boats were used through all of 1942.
To only include the boats from Tambor class forword is not acording to history.

[ricnunes]

Yes, I must admit that reading that no S-class subs were to be included in SH4 and that you always start from Pearl Harbour was very disapointing to me! I really loved starting from the Phillippines with an S-class sub when playing the SH1 campaign.

[bigboywooly]

They are not even gonna include any Dutch\Brit or Jap subs either
You would have liked to think they have learnt something by now
Even if they werent playable but it would have been nice to play for different nations

Originally Posted by ricnunes

Yes, I must admit that reading that no S-class subs were to be included in SH4 and that you always start from Pearl Harbour was very disapointing to me! I really loved starting from the Phillippines with an S-class sub when playing the SH1 campaign.

It said that the war STARTS with Pearl Harbour, timewise. But it didn´t say that Pearl Harbour had to be the starting location.

From the SubSim interview:

Michael Patton, 53, US: Are you going to start the war prior to Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor & is Pearl Harbor going to be an operating submarine base?

SH4 Dev Team: The war will always start with Pearl Harbor, we can’t change that. And so will our campaign. The full list of bases to be included as starting points for player’s campaign sorties is not decided yet.

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Considering the amount of work it is to build 3d interiors its not surprising they had to draw the line somewere. We had 3 diffrent interiors in SH3, now we get 4 from the looks of it, and people still complain.....

[Safe-Keeper]

They are not even gonna include any Dutch\Brit or Jap subs either
You would have liked to think they have learnt something by now

They only have so much time, money, and effort.

They could either include the variety of US subs they included and no foreign subs, or they could include only one and two US subs and several foreign subs - in which case there'd be people whining about the lack of playable American submarines.

It's the rock and a hard place for them - they knew they'd get people mad at them either way - but I think they made the right decision. And think about it, instead of making the modders add new US subs with interiors and everything, they "only" have to add foreign subs, which requires less effort as there's no 3D interior or anything to add.

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

They only have so much time, money, and effort.

They could either include the variety of US subs they included and no foreign subs, or they could include only one and two US subs and several foreign subs - in which case there'd be people whining about the lack of playable American submarines.

It's the rock and a hard place for them - they knew they'd get people mad at them either way - but I think they made the right decision. And think about it, instead of making the modders add new US subs with interiors and everything, they "only" have to add foreign subs, which requires less effort as there's no 3D interior or anything to add.

But they are not even adding any AI subs from any nation either

Besides time is not a factor
We would all wait longer for the right game rather than have half a game earlier

[John Pancoast]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

But they are not even adding any AI subs from any nation either

Besides time is not a factor
We would all wait longer for the right game rather than have half a game earlier

"Us" waiting isn't the time problem. Them having to pay bills, and needing the game to help pay them, is.