People on boats you sink!

TDK1044 · 08-15-06, 01:34 PM

One nice addition in SH1V, and something I thought was really missing in SH111, would be to see (and to some degree hear ) on-board activity on a boat you have just hit with a torpedo. Some frenzied running around and distant shouting would be nice. How may of us have watched a boat sink with no on board activity at all..... Just a ghost ship.This is one area that SH1V really needs to address in my opinion. What do you guys think?

Safe-Keeper · 08-15-06, 01:46 PM

Agreed. Only adding sound effects would do a lot, although I'm one of those who dream of an actual crew running around doing actual things. Fishermen hauling nets on board, tug boat-crewmen preparing to tow a crippled aircraft carrier back harbour [think GTA, with the ambulance and the paramedics arriving when you kill someone], gunners rushing out of the ship to man the flak guns when enemy fighters appear, survivors scrambling over the ship's side and lowering life-boats when the ship is sinking, and so on. Or, of course, surprising a merchant or partisan-crewed fishing boat and seeing the crew burst out on deck with rifles and sub-machine guns and open fire on you

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I wonder how much the RAM/CPU load would be for something like that?

TDK1044 · 08-15-06, 02:11 PM

A lot!! And you're correct, even the sound of distant chaos would add to the reality of the sinking.

Jmack · 08-15-06, 06:44 PM

lifeboats would be nice ... and oil slicks and debries like in cfs2

WutWuzDat · 08-15-06, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jmack

...cfs2

jezz... that brings back memories

*Looks over at sidewinder 2 sitting on the desk...*

Jmack · 08-15-06, 10:59 PM

my sidewinder 2 is right here in front of me ... more used now for IL2 but cfs2 was very good in ship sinking efects after some modders added their stuff . ships turning and leaving a trail of oil ...

TDK1044 · 08-16-06, 05:48 AM

I guess what we're all asking the DEVS to consider in SH1V, is that SH111 was realistic during the hunt, the attack and the escape, but the actuality of the sinking boats didn't feel real at all because there was no on board activity. While I think we all understand that to do this in great detail would require huge, unrealistic amounts of RAM, the software could include audio of distant 'on ship' activity and some level of visible activity.

Operator · 08-17-06, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

One nice addition in SH1V, and something I thought was really missing in SH111, would be to see (and to some degree hear ) on-board activity on a boat you have just hit with a torpedo.

That was intentionally missing. There was a short writeup from the developer on the rationale for not including those things.

Safe-Keeper · 08-17-06, 05:05 PM

Yes. They left life-boats out for ethical reasons. That's not to say I think they should not be back in (only don't give them collision meshes - I don't see a reason why the player should be able to shoot them up).

Jmack · 08-17-06, 08:29 PM

i guess they could leave the ethical choices to the players ? no ? or they could make lifetboats "unshootable" like when you point the guns at your own boat.

HunterICX · 08-18-06, 06:36 AM

About puppets running around on the ship....nah, if you look at the harbour the people repeating the same thing 24H

But about sounds I miss something

for example

when you hit an Ship without instant sinking/explosion that there will be an alarm sound like in real
for example ''Alarm sound and someone screaming ''ABANDON SHIP!!!''

that would be nice to see...then you at least get the feeling that they care that you shoot them...then like ''Pssst..dont show the sub that we care they shot us''

TDK1044 · 08-18-06, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Operator

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

One nice addition in SH1V, and something I thought was really missing in SH111, would be to see (and to some degree hear ) on-board activity on a boat you have just hit with a torpedo.

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Originally Posted by Operator

That was intentionally missing. There was a short writeup from the developer on the rationale for not including those things.

Strange decision. The actual sinking of boats in SH111 was the one thing that was totally unrealistic, when a lot of other things were very realistic. I undersatnd the whole lifeboat thing, but at least give us audio of the alarm sounding a few seconds after a hit, and then some shouting.

CheckSix · 08-19-06, 03:38 PM

Should be possible, 'PT boats' , which uses the Storm 2.5 engine, will feature crew abandoning ship, running on deck manning guns etc. rag doll effects also.
(Personally i'd settle for a Royal Navy 'T' class sub. :hmm: )

Redwine · 08-21-06, 09:49 AM

Into IL2, A.I. AAA, Flaks... shoots the parachute survivors... you included of course... and no player was in need to go to a psiquiatrician after play the game.

I think so the no inclusion of life boats in SH3 is not related to any "moral" limitation, it is only to save job. :hmm:

Safe-Keeper · 08-21-06, 10:59 AM

PT Boats doesn't have nearly the graphics Silent Hunter III has, though. Consider how Silent Hunter IV will probably be even better than that, and you see the problem.

And it is related to moral decisions. The deveopers have said so themselves. As for the flight sim argument, shooting an airmen or two is a bit different from leaving hundreds or over a thousand crewmen to drown and never be found, don't you think?

I'd like to see more activity on ships myself, but it's a huge can of worms to open.

08-15-06, 01:34 PM	#1
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	People on boats you sink! One nice addition in SH1V, and something I thought was really missing in SH111, would be to see (and to some degree hear ) on-board activity on a boat you have just hit with a torpedo. Some frenzied running around and distant shouting would be nice. How may of us have watched a boat sink with no on board activity at all..... Just a ghost ship.This is one area that SH1V really needs to address in my opinion. What do you guys think?

08-15-06, 01:46 PM	#2
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Agreed. Only adding sound effects would do a lot, although I'm one of those who dream of an actual crew running around doing actual things. Fishermen hauling nets on board, tug boat-crewmen preparing to tow a crippled aircraft carrier back harbour [think GTA, with the ambulance and the paramedics arriving when you kill someone], gunners rushing out of the ship to man the flak guns when enemy fighters appear, survivors scrambling over the ship's side and lowering life-boats when the ship is sinking, and so on. Or, of course, surprising a merchant or partisan-crewed fishing boat and seeing the crew burst out on deck with rifles and sub-machine guns and open fire on you. I wonder how much the RAM/CPU load would be for something like that? __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

08-17-06, 05:05 PM	#9
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Yes. They left life-boats out for ethical reasons. That's not to say I think they should not be back in (only don't give them collision meshes - I don't see a reason why the player should be able to shoot them up). __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

08-18-06, 06:36 AM	#11
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	About puppets running around on the ship....nah, if you look at the harbour the people repeating the same thing 24H But about sounds I miss something for example when you hit an Ship without instant sinking/explosion that there will be an alarm sound like in real for example ''Alarm sound and someone screaming ''ABANDON SHIP!!!'' that would be nice to see...then you at least get the feeling that they care that you shoot them...then like ''Pssst..dont show the sub that we care they shot us'' __________________

08-21-06, 09:49 AM	#14
Redwine Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Martin de los Andes, Neuquen, , Argentina. Posts: 1,962 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Into IL2, A.I. AAA, Flaks... shoots the parachute survivors... you included of course... and no player was in need to go to a psiquiatrician after play the game. I think so the no inclusion of life boats in SH3 is not related to any "moral" limitation, it is only to save job. :hmm: __________________ . "SH III and SH IV Mods" "Manual TDC Tutorial" "SH2 Downloads Selection"

08-15-06, 02:11 PM	#3
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	A lot!! And you're correct, even the sound of distant chaos would add to the reality of the sinking.

08-15-06, 06:44 PM	#4
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	lifeboats would be nice ... and oil slicks and debries like in cfs2

08-15-06, 10:59 PM	#6
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	my sidewinder 2 is right here in front of me ... more used now for IL2 but cfs2 was very good in ship sinking efects after some modders added their stuff . ships turning and leaving a trail of oil ...

08-16-06, 05:48 AM	#7
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I guess what we're all asking the DEVS to consider in SH1V, is that SH111 was realistic during the hunt, the attack and the escape, but the actuality of the sinking boats didn't feel real at all because there was no on board activity. While I think we all understand that to do this in great detail would require huge, unrealistic amounts of RAM, the software could include audio of distant 'on ship' activity and some level of visible activity.

08-17-06, 08:29 PM	#10
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	i guess they could leave the ethical choices to the players ? no ? or they could make lifetboats "unshootable" like when you point the guns at your own boat.

08-19-06, 03:38 PM	#13
CheckSix Watch Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 23 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Should be possible, 'PT boats' , which uses the Storm 2.5 engine, will feature crew abandoning ship, running on deck manning guns etc. rag doll effects also. (Personally i'd settle for a Royal Navy 'T' class sub. :hmm: )

08-21-06, 10:59 AM	#15
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	PT Boats doesn't have nearly the graphics Silent Hunter III has, though. Consider how Silent Hunter IV will probably be even better than that, and you see the problem. And it is related to moral decisions. The deveopers have said so themselves. As for the flight sim argument, shooting an airmen or two is a bit different from leaving hundreds or over a thousand crewmen to drown and never be found, don't you think? I'd like to see more activity on ships myself, but it's a huge can of worms to open. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.