Hamas launches war on Israel

[Jimbuna]

Overnight Israeli air strikes on central Beirut killed nine people, Lebanese officials say

From Beirut: Any feeling of safety is vanishing, writes Nafiseh Kohnavard

Our correspondent adds the target was a building where a Hezbollah member lived, which is also the headquarters of a medical centre believed to be affiliated to Hezbollah

Dahieh, Hezbollah’s stronghold in southern Beirut, was also attacked

Israel warns more people to evacuate in southern Lebanon, including in Nabatieh, a major city in the south

Israel began a ground invasion of the south this week and yesterday announced the death of eight soldiers inside Lebanon

[Raf1394]

Something that really shocked me, is how fragile the defensive wall between Gaza and Israël was at the border. During the Hamas attack in oktober 2023.

Can anybody explain? How Hamas could enter Israël so easy? Did the Israël population protested against there goverment of this lack of defense?

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Raf1394

Something that really shocked me, is how fragile the defensive wall between Gaza and Israël was at the border. During the Hamas attack in oktober 2023.

Can anybody explain? How Hamas could enter Israël so easy? Did the Israël population protested against there goverment of this lack of defense?

What I heard is that Israel moved attention from Gaza to the west bank, therefore weaken the defensive wall between Gaza and Israel. Israel population protested against their government and moment this war is over this government will lose in next election because they failed to free the remaining hostages you can weaken Hamas or Hezbollah, but Israel can not win this the new armies are born under this kinda bombing if you need to kill over 300 civilians to get one the kids will join Hamas or Hezbollah in the years to come.

[Raf1394]

The extremists on both sides need to go. Simple

Hamas wanting to eradicate the jewish state...
And Zionist extreme right groups having this believe of a greater jewish state with Palestine and Transjordan.

Both i hate

[mapuc]

We have forgot, in our discussion about occupied areas and the process the Israelis have done in these areas, a huge area who was given back to Egypt. I'm talking about Sinai Peninsula.

It was known that Israel made the desert grow and today after Egypt got it back in 1982 it have return to being a desert.

This show a true difference between Israels knowhow and Arabian standstill.

Markus

[Raf1394]

I'm a huge supporter for a two-state solution.
A Palestinian state and the current Jewish state Israel living in peace next to each other.

And get rid of all the extremists. The fundamental Hamas and the extreme right wing Zionists. Nobody of those two are good. Sometimes i feel the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is a proxy war between the West and Iran/Hezbollah.
The involvement of those parties, the US, Iran ect... all need to stop too. They are making things worse.

The Hamas leaders saying out loud to kill all Jews and eradicate Israel is bad, and Israeli government leaders calling Palestinians in Gaza ''animals'' is also not done. And we are not talking about who is more advanced or has more intellectual know how. Things like Jews have more intellect then Arabs is also not done. Every race is equal. This is turning back to the Nazi era, saying Jews are low human.

This conflict is going on for more then half a century. Israel feels threatened because they are the only Jewish state, and they are surrounded by enemies, that i understand. But Palestinians also have the same rights to live in a sovereign country they are born at.

I'm a pro-supporter of the two state solution. And stop all the hostilities. Even send a International task force/peace. Like the UN. to examine who does bad.

[Raf1394]

Even the so called ''one'' state solution had once potential, but not anymore i guess

[Jimbuna]

I doubt there will ever be a lasting peace in the region.

[Raf1394]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I doubt there will ever be a lasting peace in the region.

I think the people there, Israeli's and Palestinians will just get fed up with everything and the war, and seek for peace?

But yeah... its already more then half a century...

[Skybird]

Two state solution?
That was a stillbirth from all beginning on, imo. It never had a realistic chance to work. It never will work. Totally unrealistic.
Israel has given back the Gaza strip. In the same year rockets started to go from there to Israel, already before Hamas took over. And the hostile mood in Westjordan with Ramallah as capital is not much more friendly. And what there is, is deeply corruoted and by wish and desire of the coprrupt leadership it is a failed state, not one bit soveerign in ability and skill and economic capability, but depending on a parasiting business model and hanging on the money drip o fthe West. Such states are no states. They are bad jokes - which exist at OUR expenses.

We should leave the whole place alone, and only do trade with Israel only, and militarily and scientifically and research-wise mutually cooperate. Let the nArabs care for thewir Palestinian brothers and sisters. Its their people, not ours. Why do we pay the lion's share of their bills and not the Arabs...?


https://www.politico.eu/article/why-...palestine-war/

[mapuc]

It is a hard riddle to solve no doubt about it.

I have not a clue on how to solve the huge problems in Middle east

Markus

[Skybird]

@mapuc,


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7825rk8j9o

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

@mapuc,


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7825rk8j9o

This part do raise some questions

The details we have established raise questions - including why so few soldiers were armed at a base so close to the border, why more wasn’t done to respond to the intelligence and warnings that had been received, how it took so long for reinforcements to arrive, and whether the very infrastructure of the base had left those there unprotected.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

More air strikes have been reported in southern Beirut and Lebanon, as Israel tells more than 30 villages in the south to evacuate

A major road out of Lebanon was hit overnight - pictures show a large crater near the border crossing into Syria, where thousands of people have been fleeing. Israel says the route was being used to transport weapons

Rockets continue to be fired into Israel from Lebanon - watch the moment our correspondent runs for cover after hearing gunfire and explosions

Lebanon's health ministry said earlier 37 people have been killed in Israeli ground and air attacks in the past 24 hours; more than 2,000 people have now been killed since last October

In Iran, the supreme leader defended his country's missile attack on Israel earlier this week as a "minimum punishment" in a rare public speech

[Jimbuna]

Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei holds a rifle at sermon

Iran's supreme leader had a rifle by his side as he addressed worshippers in Tehran in a rare public sermon Friday, days after Iran's missile attack on Israel.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei delivered his first sermon in nearly five years to thousands of worshippers at the Mosalla mosque in central Tehran.

It comes three days before the one-year anniversary of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, triggered by the Iran-backed Palestinian group's October 7 attack.

From the crowds, some ardent supporters outraged by a year of hostilities held portraits of slain allied leaders from Hamas and Hezbollah.

Khamenei, addressing the crowd, used the public address to say dub Hezbollah's battle a 'vital service to the region', warning Israel 'will not last long'.
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