'Airlines terror plot' disrupted

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Skybird

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Actually he has influenced my view on and understanding of terror quite a bit. But I take from your words that you and me must have understood him very differently.

Obviously. Rolling eyes back at you.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by waste gate

I just heard a British talking head asking 'where did we as a nation go wrong and how can we fix it?' My God, its like asking a woman, who happens to dress provocatively, and was raped, what did you do wrong? The question would never be asked. Why are the victims (in this case the potential victims) at fault?

I'll tell you where the UK went wrong:

• Afghanistan
• Iraq
• Immigration policy over the past thirty odd years.

It's too late to fix.

Nemo

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

I'll tell you where the UK went wrong:

• Afghanistan
• Iraq
• Immigration policy over the past thirty odd years.

It's too late to fix.

Nemo

I really don't want to get too involved with this topic. But I will say in regards to your post, Islamic Terrorism against the west (UK included) goes back a long time before any of the things you listed. Even if the UK wasn't involved in Iraq/Afghanistan, and had a more sane immigration policy, Islamic terrorists would still view the UK as a nation of infidels that must convert or die.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I really don't want to get too involved with this topic. But I will say in regards to your post, Islamic Terrorism against the west (UK included) goes back a long time before any of the things you listed. Even if the UK wasn't involved in Iraq/Afghanistan, and had a more sane immigration policy, Islamic terrorists would still view the UK as a nation of infidels that must convert or die.

I couldn't agree more, but Islamic terrorism is now within the UK being orchestrated by British citizens which, I would have thought, makes it much more difficult for the intelligence services to detect and much more easier for the terrorists to commit atrocities (e.g. London tube bombings last year).

Nemo

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Captain Nemo

I'll tell you where the UK went wrong:

• Afghanistan
• Iraq
• Immigration policy over the past thirty odd years.

It's too late to fix.

Nemo

No, the Uk, and to a certain extent France, and Germany went wrong was with the immigration policy over the last 30 years.
The first 2 causes you speak of are only contingent and do not explain why uk born citizens (most of them under 24 years old) have embraced jihadism.
Its not as if they lived under a totalitarian state.

[Captain Nemo]

Originally Posted by goldorak

No, the Uk, and to a certain extent France, and Germany went wrong was with the immigration policy over the last 30 years.
The first 2 causes you speak of are only contingent and do not explain why uk born citizens (most of them under 24 years old) have embraced jihadism.
Its not as if they lived under a totalitarian state.

The first two are used as an excuse for terrorism. I believe that the reason under 24 year olds have embraced jihadism is because the UK's immigration policy has been very lax to the extent that it has let in to the UK some very undesirable people such as extemist Islamic clerics who go on to brainwash young Muslims. This kind of extemism must be stopped in its tracks if we are to have any chance of rectifying the situation. However, in my view it is probably too late and its not going to get any better.

Nemo

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Tell me about it. I manage a small logistics and airfreight business only 10 minutes from LHR and I have been in the office since 5am this morning. I recieved a fax from the DfT (Department for Transport) outlining what was happening and the raised security threat. I will post later some of that fax which makes for interesting reading.

As promised Department for Transport notification from 2am Friday morning 5-6 hours before the whole foiled plot became public notice.



I will not post the annexes relating to specific security measures we have been required to enforce for obvious reasons though I'm sure news organisations have probably got their hands on this stuff by now.

[STEED]

I am getting fed up when I hear these British Muslims bang on about my country being attacked by the U.K. & America. These stupid morons are British and yet they don't think they are British, they were born British what is the matter with them? Only today on the radio I heard one of these morons saying we are spreading are evil democracy and freedom to the Middle East.

I want to see these vile people expelled from my country forthwith they make me sick, and yet are weak Government will not act against them. The time of bending over backwards for these people is over, time for action and stuff the E.U and U.N. if they kick up a stink.

[retired1212]

Originally Posted by waste gate

You are right of course. Yet how many denunciations for acts of terror do you hear from the so called moderate Muslim community. The moderate community is not actively involved. By the silence their complicity is manifest. Our inability to identify the problem will not make us more secure or change the nature of Islam.
Like an addiction to alcohal or drugs, if you do not admit the problem exists you cannot fix it.

I liken my position to that of holding a wolf by the ears. I don't much like it, but I dare not let go.

some credit for that fella (probably British Pakistani) who kept his life in danger, infiltrated among retards and saved many lives? That infiltrator was a Muslim too. I'd view his efforts as a denunciation from moderate Muslims.

The problem is that Media won't invite Muslims to denounce these acts because such programs won't get enough sponsors...The idiots and retards make the headlines and normal moderate people acting normally just doesn't make a "sexy" news story.

[micky1up]

what i find typical about the airlines on this incident is that as nobody is allowed to bring on bottles of juice or water they havent gien the passangers free water or juice they are still selling them for cash

[Spoon 11th]

Originally Posted by micky1up

what i find typical about the airlines on this incident is that as nobody is allowed to bring on bottles of juice or water they havent gien the passangers free water or juice they are still selling them for cash

Well you don't take your own drinks to restaurant either.
(Unless it's permitted. In Finland it's not.)

[Yahoshua]

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/hwo...rea_peyser.htm

[micky1up]

Originally Posted by Spoon 11th

Well you don't take your own drinks to restaurant either.
(Unless it's permitted. In Finland it's not.)

no i dont and this my friend isnt a restaurant alot of people take there own water onto airlines and juice becuase they fleece you with the price i agree that they have to stop the terroists which ever way they can but not at the expense of the customer and now they are clambering for compensation for the flights they have had to cancel i wonder whos going to pay that

[Vinay]

Is England becoming Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of England. Time for the trip to the Land of the pure. (Either as Mariners or as Faithfuls).

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Vinay

Is England becoming Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of England.

That's because political madness and bending over back wards for muslims has done nothing to sort this mess out. Are politicians are so weak they dare not speak out for being branded raciest by the liberal noodles who are now in control of England, we are sitting on a time bomb, riots or civil unrest will break out when I don't know. The whole country is a mess from top to bottom and no one wants to sort it out.