|
|
SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997
|
SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997 |
07-25-06, 12:56 PM
|
#1 |
|
Grey Wolf
 Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: 9th Flotilla
Posts: 839
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
|
nazi aircraft-carrier "Graf Zeppelin" discovered?
German tabloid press magazin "Bild" reports that the Polish oil company "Petrobaltic" has probably discovered the wreck of the nazi aircraft-carrier "Graf Zeppelin" in 80 m depth 55 km ahead of the Polish harbour Wladyslawowo. Graf Zeppelin was the only aircraft-carrier ever built in Germany which never saw action because the ship never was finished. The fate of the Graf Zeppelin has always been unsettled. The Polish Navy is now trying to verify if the huge wreck is the Graf Zeppelin.
http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/startseite/startbuehne.html (G) History of the carrier: http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmari...n/history.html (E) Wreck divers might get excited, because the only carrier you can dive to at present is the American "Saratoga" which was sunk 1946 at the Bikini-Atoll during atomic bombs testing.
__________________
|
|
|
|
07-25-06, 01:07 PM
|
#2 |
|
Rear Admiral
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 12,987
Downloads: 67
Uploads: 2
|
Anything by a tabloid you can almost rest assured, is fictional garbage designed to sell more copies. The tabloid link you give, it may as well say, "Elvis is alive!"
|
|
|
|
|
07-25-06, 02:16 PM
|
#3 |
|
Born to Run Silent
Join Date: Jan 1997
Location: Cougar Trap, Texas
Posts: 21,385
Downloads: 541
Uploads: 224
|
Very interesting find, thanks, Dan.
__________________
SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web |
|
|
|
|
07-25-06, 03:22 PM
|
#4 |
|
Soaring
 Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the mental asylum named Germany
Posts: 42,649
Downloads: 10
Uploads: 0
|
Even did not know that such a thing existed! But yes, be careful before taking the info for real, "Bild" is not really a credible source.
__________________
If you feel nuts, consult an expert. |
|
|
|
|
07-25-06, 03:44 PM
|
#5 | |
|
Sea Lord
 Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,878
Downloads: 4
Uploads: 0
|
It is possible that the surrendered Pocket Battleship Lutzow was sunk as a target too, instead of being scrapped as has usually been assumed. Soviet records can be spotty.
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
07-27-06, 06:21 AM
|
#6 | |
|
Grey Wolf
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: 9th Flotilla
Posts: 839
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
|
Quote:
According to SPON (Spiegel online), a speaker of the Polish navy has confirmed today to the Polish radio station "Radio RMF" that the wreck is the "Graf Zeppelin" indeed. The Polish navy has done some dives and sonar scans.  http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,428745,00.html (G) German military historian Ulrich Israel says in the arcticle that it was good that the ship was never completed because it would have meant no military advantage, yet would have cost numerous lifes because it would have been a matter of prestige for the Brits to sink her as soon as possible ("Sink the Graf Zeppelin"!) like they had hunted down the "Bismarck". The German Kriegsmarine was probably thinking the same. With the few surface ships they had, all they could have done, was to "go under struggling respectably" ( Großadmiral Raeder) which is military nonsense, so in the end, no carrier for Adolf to play with. The article also says that according to International Law of the Sea the wreck is property of the Federal Banana Republic Germany and that the Soviets used the ship for testing on 14th August 1947 to find out how to best sink an aircraft-carrier like, let's say, an American aircraft-carrier.
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
07-27-06, 06:32 AM
|
#7 |
|
Lucky Jack
 Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 25,976
Downloads: 61
Uploads: 20
|
I can see some design ideas in that pic that remind me of the Kuznetsov a bit.
|
|
|
|
|
07-27-06, 09:57 AM
|
#8 |
|
Electrician's Mate
 Join Date: May 2005
Location: Finland
Posts: 136
Downloads: 1
Uploads: 0
|
In wikipedia there is a link to Polish site that confirms it, the wreck is Graf Zeppelin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_..._Graf_Zeppelin http://www.rmf.fm/fakty/?id=103221 Cool, but I was hoping that she was sink in Gulf of Finland, heh. |
|
|
|
|
07-27-06, 11:05 AM
|
#9 |
|
Lucky Jack
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Down Town UK
Posts: 27,695
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 48
|
We will have to wait and see if they have found the Graf Zeppelin.
__________________
Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017.  To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! 
|
|
|
|
|
07-27-06, 01:41 PM
|
#10 |
|
Ace of the Deep
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cologne, Germany
Posts: 1,227
Downloads: 8
Uploads: 0
|
I think I've read (on Spiegel Online) that the Polish Navy has confirmed that the ship is the Graf Zeppelin.
|
|
|
|
|
07-27-06, 01:50 PM
|
#11 |
|
Grey Wolf
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Somerset, UK.
Posts: 932
Downloads: 31
Uploads: 0
|
There was an article in The Times about it today: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...287104,00.html
__________________
DOLPHIN 38 |
|
|
|
|
07-27-06, 01:53 PM
|
#12 |
|
Grey Wolf
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 784
Downloads: 10
Uploads: 0
|
there is some sonar iamges of the ship here (at the end of the page)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...t=86953&page=3 
__________________
Modern Naval Warfare Community Manager
|
|
|
|
|
07-29-06, 06:35 PM
|
#13 |
|
Grey Wolf
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: 9th Flotilla
Posts: 839
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0
|
I just heard that the old Avalon hill game "War at Sea" has an operational Graf Zeppelin in its expansion packs. This is great for "what if" scenarios. Would the Graf Zep with a high speed of 33 knots been sunk by the Royal navy, if we keep in mind, that only one carrier (HMS Glorious) was sunk in WW2 by surface ships?
Anybody owns that game?
__________________
|
|
|
|
 |
|
|
Linear Mode
